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Topic # 31185 8-Mar-2009 09:21
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Now this has to be a candidate for the new telecom nework? this device/phone rocks judging by the specs

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http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/specification.html

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  Reply # 199861 8-Mar-2009 09:26
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yes looks very nice. But I believe telecom network will be 850 WCDMA

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  Reply # 199864 8-Mar-2009 09:41
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I'm keen on one of these as well, it does 900/2100. 2100 will i believe only service the main metropolitan centres... as soon as you hit the outer city limits, you wont get any signal. The Quad band GSM means, that you can hit  Vodafone outside of the city.. not very ideal if you're a Telecom customer.




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  Reply # 199865 8-Mar-2009 09:49
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This device won't work so well on Telecom's new WCDMA network - wait until they have a North American version then you can think about it.

Damager: I'm keen on one of these as well, it does 900/2100. 2100 will i believe only service the main metropolitan centres... as soon as you hit the outer city limits, you wont get any signal. The Quad band GSM means, that you can hit  Vodafone outside of the city.. not very ideal if you're a Telecom customer.


Telecom WCDMA will mainly be 850MHz everywhere including metropolitan centres. Only a small number of 2100 MHz will be available, so you should actually look for devices that are native 850MHz - mainly U.S. and Australian models, including the iPhone (which is a 850MHz/2100MHz device). Don't buy a device that's 900/2100MHz because you won't get a good service - and if you buy the wrong device you can't complain about the provider if things don't work, right?

Vodafone WCDMA will be 900MHz with its current 2100MHz footprint (mainly large cities) remaining in place or being replaced if/as needed. It means anyone with a current 1st Generation iPhone 3G will not have Vodafone 3G service outside the main metropolitan centres.








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  Reply # 199932 8-Mar-2009 17:32
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freitasm: This device won't work so well on Telecom's new WCDMA network - wait until they have a North American version then you can think about it.

Damager: I'm keen on one of these as well, it does 900/2100. 2100 will i believe only service the main metropolitan centres... as soon as you hit the outer city limits, you wont get any signal. The Quad band GSM means, that you can hit  Vodafone outside of the city.. not very ideal if you're a Telecom customer.


Telecom WCDMA will mainly be 850MHz everywhere including metropolitan centres. Only a small number of 2100 MHz will be available, so you should actually look for devices that are native 850MHz - mainly U.S. and Australian models, including the iPhone (which is a 850MHz/2100MHz device). Don't buy a device that's 900/2100MHz because you won't get a good service - and if you buy the wrong device you can't complain about the provider if things don't work, right?

Vodafone WCDMA will be 900MHz with its current 2100MHz footprint (mainly large cities) remaining in place or being replaced if/as needed. It means anyone with a current 1st Generation iPhone 3G will not have Vodafone 3G service outside the main metropolitan centres.






Sorry I think  I misread what you said there, MF. "It means anyone with a current 1st Generation iPhone 3G will not have Vodafone 3G service outside the main metropolitan centres."

1st gen don't have 3G.

So are you saying that the iPhone 3G will not be able to get 3G outside of the metro centres?





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  Reply # 199947 8-Mar-2009 18:55
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Aaroona: Sorry I think  I misread what you said there, MF. "It means anyone with a current 1st Generation iPhone 3G will not have Vodafone 3G service outside the main metropolitan centres."

1st gen don't have 3G.


Yes, you misread it. This is the first generation of iPhone 3G. The other model is not iPhone 3G, it's just iPhone. I wrote "first generation" to make sure people understand it's related to the first 3G model, since there are rumours of upcoming new models.


Aaroona: So are you saying that the iPhone 3G will not be able to get 3G outside of the metro centres?


The "current" iPhone 3G works in 850MHz and 2100MHz.

Vodafone is deploying WCDMA 900MHz and current WCDMA 2100MHz is only available in the main metropolitan areas. It means that if you are a Vodafone customer and leave the big city, even if they offer a 3G service elsewhere your iPhone won't work in 3G because it's not 900MHz.

Telecom New Zealand is deploying a (mainly) WCDMA 850MHz network with a few 2100MHz spots. which means the iPhone should work everywhere on their network.

So, in short, the iPhone you buy from Vodafone now will work better on Telecom than on Vodafone.




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  Reply # 199954 8-Mar-2009 19:38
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freitasm:
Aaroona: Sorry I think  I misread what you said there, MF. "It means anyone with a current 1st Generation iPhone 3G will not have Vodafone 3G service outside the main metropolitan centres."

1st gen don't have 3G.


Yes, you misread it. This is the first generation of iPhone 3G. The other model is not iPhone 3G, it's just iPhone. I wrote "first generation" to make sure people understand it's related to the first 3G model, since there are rumours of upcoming new models.


Aaroona: So are you saying that the iPhone 3G will not be able to get 3G outside of the metro centres?


The "current" iPhone 3G works in 850MHz and 2100MHz.

Vodafone is deploying WCDMA 900MHz and current WCDMA 2100MHz is only available in the main metropolitan areas. It means that if you are a Vodafone customer and leave the big city, even if they offer a 3G service elsewhere your iPhone won't work in 3G because it's not 900MHz.

Telecom New Zealand is deploying a (mainly) WCDMA 850MHz network with a few 2100MHz spots. which means the iPhone should work everywhere on their network.

So, in short, the iPhone you buy from Vodafone now will work better on Telecom than on Vodafone.


Oh right, thanks for clearing that up. after re-reading your last post I got it. For some reason I thought you meant it was the other way around.

Skim reading isnt good sometimes :P I didnt remember seeing the 3G - till just now after i read my post quoting you Embarassed


I cant wait for telecom to open it up then. It's gonna be good.. only, battery life will be the next issue I guess, but thats another story.





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  Reply # 199963 8-Mar-2009 20:54
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freitasm: This device won't work so well on Telecom's new WCDMA network - wait until they have a North American version then you can think about it.

Damager: I'm keen on one of these as well, it does 900/2100. 2100 will i believe only service the main metropolitan centres... as soon as you hit the outer city limits, you wont get any signal. The Quad band GSM means, that you can hit  Vodafone outside of the city.. not very ideal if you're a Telecom customer.


Telecom WCDMA will mainly be 850MHz everywhere including metropolitan centres. Only a small number of 2100 MHz will be available, so you should actually look for devices that are native 850MHz - mainly U.S. and Australian models, including the iPhone (which is a 850MHz/2100MHz device). Don't buy a device that's 900/2100MHz because you won't get a good service - and if you buy the wrong device you can't complain about the provider if things don't work, right?

Vodafone WCDMA will be 900MHz with its current 2100MHz footprint (mainly large cities) remaining in place or being replaced if/as needed. It means anyone with a current 1st Generation iPhone 3G will not have Vodafone 3G service outside the main metropolitan centres.






Thanks for the explanation freitasm! I'll hold off on that phone a bit and see what happens re a North American version as you have recommended.




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  Reply # 200001 9-Mar-2009 08:16
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if only quadband GSM/3G phones were made more. :(
Would make things so much easier!

but then I guess thats it.. nothings easy :P





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  Reply # 200002 9-Mar-2009 08:30
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Aaroona: if only quadband GSM/3G phones were made more. :(
Would make things so much easier!

but then I guess thats it.. nothings easy :P


There have been significant RF issues trying to deploy integrate both 850+900Mhz UMTS tiogether in a single chipset which is why that doesn't yet exist. Companies have had to create 2 models of handsets, typically one that does 850+1900+2100 and another that does 900+1900+2100.

The problem now is that 1700 is now also used for 3G so we're really in need of Penta band devices to handle 850+900+1700+1900+2100. Qualcomm recently announced what is possibly the most advanced chipset yet that does all bands and handles CDMA+UMTS+LTE but from memory it's not due until the middle of next year. By then there exists the possibility of 2600 MHz LTE so that's yet another frequency to add to the mix..

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  Reply # 200539 11-Mar-2009 09:18

Damager: I'm keen on one of these as well, it does 900/2100. 2100 will i believe only service the main metropolitan centres... as soon as you hit the outer city limits, you wont get any signal. The Quad band GSM means, that you can hit  Vodafone outside of the city.. not very ideal if you're a Telecom customer.


does it not also state it does quad band?:

Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
  • Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

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Reply # 200540 11-Mar-2009 09:27
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lestag:
Damager: I'm keen on one of these as well, it does 900/2100. 2100 will i believe only service the main metropolitan centres... as soon as you hit the outer city limits, you wont get any signal. The Quad band GSM means, that you can hit  Vodafone outside of the city.. not very ideal if you're a Telecom customer.


does it not also state it does quad band?:

Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
  • Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz


Yes, but this is GSM quad-band, and Telecom is not releasing a GSM network.




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  Reply # 200621 11-Mar-2009 14:49

freitasm:
lestag:
Damager: I'm keen on one of these as well, it does 900/2100. 2100 will i believe only service the main metropolitan centres... as soon as you hit the outer city limits, you wont get any signal. The Quad band GSM means, that you can hit  Vodafone outside of the city.. not very ideal if you're a Telecom customer.


does it not also state it does quad band?:

Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
  • Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz


Yes, but this is GSM quad-band, and Telecom is not releasing a GSM network.


Doh! my bad

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