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Topic # 6001 15-Dec-2005 15:53

Good to know after the mobile communication prices that NZ have the slowest broadband internet speed amongst the OECD countries.
And sad that Telecom thinks this is alright.

An aussie ISP just launched today a 24Mbps broadband internet for A$29.95.

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Reply # 24835 15-Dec-2005 22:53

Yeah that was ihugs parent company in oz.

"If the Government unbundles the loop on Christmas Day, on Boxing Day we will install [equipment] providing download speeds of 24 megabits per second," he said.

They released a press statment that if the goverment introduced unbundling The ISP said it would spend $20 million over three years on installing its own equipment into Telecom's phone exchanges if the Government opened up the company's network to competition in a process known as "local loop unbundling".

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bring on unbundling and lets hope the goverment makes Telecom wholesale to all.

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Reply # 24836 15-Dec-2005 23:22

Personally I think it would be nice if it was opened up. But I'll keep to myself.

But wait for the replies that are very close to follow....

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Reply # 24840 16-Dec-2005 06:49

I support unbundling but actually don't believe it will deliver any immediate results in the NZ marketplace due to it's small size.

All that will happen is that TCL and a few of the other big companies like Orcon & Ihug will go around and install voice gear and DSLAMS everywhere but nobody else will be able to afford this. You'll then end up with them wholesaleing their service to everybody else.

What needs to be done is a splitup of Telecom into wholesale and retail, that way you'll get true transparancy.

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Reply # 24843 16-Dec-2005 08:15

My concern with regard to unbundling is that it limits the incentives for Telecom's competitors to invest in wireless technology.

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Reply # 24847 16-Dec-2005 08:37

Splitting up Telecom... While we are at it lets split up the electricity industry - oh thats right its already been done! Shame my power prices have gone up 34% in 4 years.

Those OECD figures sure make interesting reading. Good idea lets sort out the broadband so we can move above Australia. At the same time lets ignore the fact that NZ has some of the highest violent crime and suicide rates in the OECD. I think my mortgage is also about to go up I wonder if that is due to NZ having the highest interest rates in the western world.

I find it ironic that Ihug dangle the $20M carrot - what a joke. There are plenty of other technologies Ihug could use to provide broadband - what about WiMAX??

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Reply # 24864 16-Dec-2005 15:11

You know what I find ironic?
That I came from an Eastern European so called "developing" country. We have crime, we have high suicide rate, our salaries are way less then in the western countries.

But when I left in 2004, our ISP's just started to sell 7Mbps ADSL broadband connections for around 70NZD per month. With min 512Kbps upload and not only 128K.

This is what I find ironic...

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Reply # 24875 16-Dec-2005 17:18

And there is a very good article in New Zealand Herald today, showing that this slow speed (2Mb/128Kb) causing headaches to many companies and revenue loss and also showing bad picture of NZ in some ways...

When will people wake up at Telecom??????????????????

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Reply # 24983 19-Dec-2005 13:52

Hold on why does the economy of NZ (broadband) rely solely on the shoulders of Telecom?

1. TCL can offer up to 10Mbps over cable but they stopped investing
2. Woosh have so far invested $130M (I think) but their pricing and plans closely match Telecom. Woosh don't seem to be that interested in undercutting Telecom to stimulate growth.
3. iHug will invest $20M if the governmet unbundle the local loop so they can offer 'me to' ADSL. Why don't iHug use the $20M to build a 'last mile' wireless network?
4. With their 3G network Voda could also be considered a broadband provider. Where is the lobbying from TUANZ to lower Voda's data pricing?

Surely if broadband was so important to the NZ economy the government could bypass the copper all together and build a fibre network to your doorstep. Just think the government paid $250M last year to te Wananga o Aotearoa which could have been used to provide fibre cable to every house in Auckland.

Funnily enough I was reading this morning that NZ ranks 7 in the OECD for obesity. I wonder if there is a correlation between broadband uptake and obesity?

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Reply # 25449 29-Dec-2005 10:28

1. TCL can offer up to 10Mbps over cable but they stopped investing
2. Woosh have so far invested $130M (I think) but their pricing and plans closely match Telecom. Woosh don't seem to be that interested in undercutting Telecom to stimulate growth.
3. iHug will invest $20M if the governmet unbundle the local loop so they can offer 'me to' ADSL. Why don't iHug use the $20M to build a 'last mile' wireless network?
4. With their 3G network Voda could also be considered a broadband provider. Where is the lobbying from TUANZ to lower Voda's data pricing?

Here's my opinion on these four points:
1 & 2: Coverage issues - these two were/are first aiming at providing for all of NZ first and beating Telecom in performance/price respectively second - but TCL did give up as you say
3: What spectrum/technology do you propose? AFAIK, they only have some in the 3.5 GHz range - which suits WiMAX, but who knows when that'll be properly ready, let alone cheap enough for $20M to cover the majority of NZ.
4: Voda only offer 384k, at $x per MB, which won't change in a hurry. And I think they wouldn't really want continuous data usage as their 3G network is still voice oriented.

But interesting point about the fibre there - not whether the Wananga should be given money, but how much would it cost to fibre-to-the-home all of NZ? Anyone know how much it's cost in Japan?