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Topic # 6368 19-Jan-2006 15:59

Hi All,
Just wondering if anyone has played around with Telecom's music store available on the Sanyo 9000?
It sounds great in theory, but where are the downloaded files stored? Can you transfer them to your iPod? What happens to your music if you loose your phone?

Just curious, thats all

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Reply # 26753 19-Jan-2006 17:17

There was a discussion about it a while ago. In general, computer music downloads are restrictive because whether you opt for iTunes/Fairplay/Mac or Windows Media/PC technology, the music that you download can never be interchanged between those two technologies, or any emerging technology.

Mobile music downloads are even worse in this respect, because they tie you to a particular phone company and listening device. For this reason, I personally believe that mobile music stores will always be a novelty. There's a small niche market for them, but they'll never become mainstream in the world of music distribution.

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Reply # 26754 19-Jan-2006 17:32

Verizon's V CAST allows downloads to a mobile phone and a PC. I was talking to someone from Telecom and floated this idea. Apparently it is in the cards.

As it is now (January 2006), the Telecom NZ Online Music Store ties the music to a mobile phone number. This way, if you download the music to a flash memory card and change the mobile phone you can simply insert the card and the music will be automatically licensed and ready to play.

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Reply # 26756 19-Jan-2006 17:53

alasta: ...In general, computer music downloads are restrictive because whether you opt for iTunes/Fairplay/Mac or Windows Media/PC technology, the music that you download can never be interchanged between those two technologies, or any emerging technology.

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Itunes/iTMS (which uses fairplay DRM) does work on Windows as well as Mac OS as far as I know.

A better grouping would probably be Itunes/Fairplay/Apple and Windows Media/Microsoft (as PC can be a loosely used term).

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Reply # 26761 19-Jan-2006 20:23

cokemaster:
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Itunes/iTMS (which uses fairplay DRM) does work on Windows as well as Mac OS as far as I know.

A better grouping would probably be Itunes/Fairplay/Apple and Windows Media/Microsoft (as PC can be a loosely used term).

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You may be right, but I think you're digressing from my point. What I was trying to point out is that, regardless of whose technology you're backing, DRM limits your ability to switch to a different technology in the future. With the rate at which technology is progressing, who knows whether Fairplay or Windows Media will still be around in ten years' time?

A CD purchased back in the 80s will still play in a CD player (or computer) purchased today. Digital music downloads, on the other hand, create risks for people like me who spend a lot of money on music and consider it to be a long term asset. To get back to the original poster's question, these risks appear to be multiplied when you're dealing with mobile phone music downloads.

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Reply # 26762 19-Jan-2006 20:35

DRM is going to be a big problem in the next few years, and will cripple (part of ) an industry that should be booming (online music sales).

If I could buy all my music online (ala itunes, coketunes, digirama, TNZ, Voda) and not worry about DRM, then I would. But the loss of an investment is not worth considering just becuase I want to say, change my brand of music player (from say, iPod, to iRiver....).

I continue to buy CDs - especially secondhand ones.

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Reply # 26763 19-Jan-2006 20:37

And my first mp3's encoded in 20 minutes on my 386 in 1995, still play on todays machines and have been copied 20 or so times.

my last DRM wma's didn't.. i was in the $%^$^ and never bought another track that was DRM

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Reply # 26764 19-Jan-2006 20:39

RE alasta: Yes, I understand what you're saying. Personally I'd like to see some form of a standard for DRM where various companies can use.

Your point is extremely valid for music that you have to 'rent on a monthly basis' or songs that need internet activitation to play.

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Reply # 26786 20-Jan-2006 09:33

Thankyou all for your very insitefull replies, I think that paying $3.50 for an MP3 track that will only ever be available to play on your mobile phone is a bit steep, I'll stick to good ol' fashion CD's for now.

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Reply # 26787 20-Jan-2006 09:38

You can buy whole CDs on TM for 3.50 and rip them onto your memory card... :^)

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Reply # 28570 15-Feb-2006 19:33

No you can't, files are kov format, an unrecognized pc format. you can only backup the files and if they get deleted then you can replace them.

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Reply # 28575 15-Feb-2006 20:13

Are you saying 'no you cant' to my previous post?

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Reply # 28576 15-Feb-2006 20:17

No sorry mean't the first one, what is with the comment about ESN's? do you work for telecom?

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Reply # 28581 15-Feb-2006 20:36

Tuikapo---use to work

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Reply # 28590 15-Feb-2006 21:47

Tuikapo: No sorry mean't the first one, what is with the comment about ESN's? do you work for telecom?

No, I used to work for a Telecom partner. I get a lot of email requests for people wanting to check if an ESN is legit or stolen or whatever, I used to be able to do this, but cant now.

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Reply # 28595 15-Feb-2006 22:09

Oh, anybody is allowed to ring up prepaid, and check that if they like, all they need to say is that they are looking at purchasing the phone from an online source and need to check wether the phone is blacklisted, my dad works for dealer support and he checked one for me before I got the 9000 and he just rung them instead of waiting till work the next morning.