Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


15 posts

Geek


Topic # 6368 19-Jan-2006 15:59
Send private message

Hi All,
Just wondering if anyone has played around with Telecom's music store available on the Sanyo 9000?
It sounds great in theory, but where are the downloaded files stored? Can you transfer them to your iPod? What happens to your music if you loose your phone?

Just curious, thats all

[Moderator: moved to Telecom New Zealand forum]

Create new topic
3924 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 659

Trusted
Subscriber

Reply # 26753 19-Jan-2006 17:17
Send private message

There was a discussion about it a while ago. In general, computer music downloads are restrictive because whether you opt for iTunes/Fairplay/Mac or Windows Media/PC technology, the music that you download can never be interchanged between those two technologies, or any emerging technology.

Mobile music downloads are even worse in this respect, because they tie you to a particular phone company and listening device. For this reason, I personally believe that mobile music stores will always be a novelty. There's a small niche market for them, but they'll never become mainstream in the world of music distribution.

BDFL - Memuneh
60589 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 11524

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

Reply # 26754 19-Jan-2006 17:32
Send private message

Verizon's V CAST allows downloads to a mobile phone and a PC. I was talking to someone from Telecom and floated this idea. Apparently it is in the cards.

As it is now (January 2006), the Telecom NZ Online Music Store ties the music to a mobile phone number. This way, if you download the music to a flash memory card and change the mobile phone you can simply insert the card and the music will be automatically licensed and ready to play.




Nate wants an iphone
3901 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 28

Mod Emeritus
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

Reply # 26756 19-Jan-2006 17:53
Send private message

alasta: ...In general, computer music downloads are restrictive because whether you opt for iTunes/Fairplay/Mac or Windows Media/PC technology, the music that you download can never be interchanged between those two technologies, or any emerging technology.

[troll]
Itunes/iTMS (which uses fairplay DRM) does work on Windows as well as Mac OS as far as I know.

A better grouping would probably be Itunes/Fairplay/Apple and Windows Media/Microsoft (as PC can be a loosely used term).

[/troll]




webhosting |New Zealand connectionsgeekzone IRC chat
Loose lips may sink ships - Be smart - Don't post internal/commercially sensitive or confidential information!


3924 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 659

Trusted
Subscriber

Reply # 26761 19-Jan-2006 20:23
Send private message

cokemaster:
[troll]
Itunes/iTMS (which uses fairplay DRM) does work on Windows as well as Mac OS as far as I know.

A better grouping would probably be Itunes/Fairplay/Apple and Windows Media/Microsoft (as PC can be a loosely used term).

[/troll]


You may be right, but I think you're digressing from my point. What I was trying to point out is that, regardless of whose technology you're backing, DRM limits your ability to switch to a different technology in the future. With the rate at which technology is progressing, who knows whether Fairplay or Windows Media will still be around in ten years' time?

A CD purchased back in the 80s will still play in a CD player (or computer) purchased today. Digital music downloads, on the other hand, create risks for people like me who spend a lot of money on music and consider it to be a long term asset. To get back to the original poster's question, these risks appear to be multiplied when you're dealing with mobile phone music downloads.

Hawkes Bay
8477 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4

Mod Emeritus
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 26762 19-Jan-2006 20:35
Send private message

DRM is going to be a big problem in the next few years, and will cripple (part of ) an industry that should be booming (online music sales).

If I could buy all my music online (ala itunes, coketunes, digirama, TNZ, Voda) and not worry about DRM, then I would. But the loss of an investment is not worth considering just becuase I want to say, change my brand of music player (from say, iPod, to iRiver....).

I continue to buy CDs - especially secondhand ones.




Visit http://www.thecloud.net.nz for New Zealand based Hosted Exchange, Virtual Servers, Web Hosting, FTP Backup & more.
(1GB free FTP storage, or larger plans from $5.75)
 
 - Setup your own mailserver at home on Ubuntu Server - full step by step howto here.
 - Have you seen this: Nathan "KFC4LIFE" Dunn.


3000 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Reply # 26763 19-Jan-2006 20:37
Send private message

And my first mp3's encoded in 20 minutes on my 386 in 1995, still play on todays machines and have been copied 20 or so times.

my last DRM wma's didn't.. i was in the $%^$^ and never bought another track that was DRM



Nate wants an iphone
3901 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 28

Mod Emeritus
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

Reply # 26764 19-Jan-2006 20:39
Send private message

RE alasta: Yes, I understand what you're saying. Personally I'd like to see some form of a standard for DRM where various companies can use.

Your point is extremely valid for music that you have to 'rent on a monthly basis' or songs that need internet activitation to play.





webhosting |New Zealand connectionsgeekzone IRC chat
Loose lips may sink ships - Be smart - Don't post internal/commercially sensitive or confidential information!




15 posts

Geek


  Reply # 26786 20-Jan-2006 09:33
Send private message

Thankyou all for your very insitefull replies, I think that paying $3.50 for an MP3 track that will only ever be available to play on your mobile phone is a bit steep, I'll stick to good ol' fashion CD's for now.

Hawkes Bay
8477 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4

Mod Emeritus
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 26787 20-Jan-2006 09:38
Send private message

You can buy whole CDs on TM for 3.50 and rip them onto your memory card... :^)




Visit http://www.thecloud.net.nz for New Zealand based Hosted Exchange, Virtual Servers, Web Hosting, FTP Backup & more.
(1GB free FTP storage, or larger plans from $5.75)
 
 - Setup your own mailserver at home on Ubuntu Server - full step by step howto here.
 - Have you seen this: Nathan "KFC4LIFE" Dunn.


169 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 1


  Reply # 28570 15-Feb-2006 19:33
Send private message

No you can't, files are kov format, an unrecognized pc format. you can only backup the files and if they get deleted then you can replace them.

Hawkes Bay
8477 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4

Mod Emeritus
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 28575 15-Feb-2006 20:13
Send private message

Are you saying 'no you cant' to my previous post?




Visit http://www.thecloud.net.nz for New Zealand based Hosted Exchange, Virtual Servers, Web Hosting, FTP Backup & more.
(1GB free FTP storage, or larger plans from $5.75)
 
 - Setup your own mailserver at home on Ubuntu Server - full step by step howto here.
 - Have you seen this: Nathan "KFC4LIFE" Dunn.


169 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 1


  Reply # 28576 15-Feb-2006 20:17
Send private message

No sorry mean't the first one, what is with the comment about ESN's? do you work for telecom?

19282 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 2600
Inactive user


  Reply # 28581 15-Feb-2006 20:36
Send private message

Tuikapo---use to work

Hawkes Bay
8477 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 4

Mod Emeritus
Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  Reply # 28590 15-Feb-2006 21:47
Send private message

Tuikapo: No sorry mean't the first one, what is with the comment about ESN's? do you work for telecom?

No, I used to work for a Telecom partner. I get a lot of email requests for people wanting to check if an ESN is legit or stolen or whatever, I used to be able to do this, but cant now.




Visit http://www.thecloud.net.nz for New Zealand based Hosted Exchange, Virtual Servers, Web Hosting, FTP Backup & more.
(1GB free FTP storage, or larger plans from $5.75)
 
 - Setup your own mailserver at home on Ubuntu Server - full step by step howto here.
 - Have you seen this: Nathan "KFC4LIFE" Dunn.


169 posts

Master Geek
+1 received by user: 1


  Reply # 28595 15-Feb-2006 22:09
Send private message

Oh, anybody is allowed to ring up prepaid, and check that if they like, all they need to say is that they are looking at purchasing the phone from an online source and need to check wether the phone is blacklisted, my dad works for dealer support and he checked one for me before I got the 9000 and he just rung them instead of waiting till work the next morning.

Create new topic

Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

N4L helping TAKA Trust bridge the digital divide for Lower Hutt students
Posted 18-Jun-2018 13:08


Winners Announced for 2018 CIO Awards
Posted 18-Jun-2018 13:03


Logitech Rally sets new standard for USB-connected video conference cameras
Posted 18-Jun-2018 09:27


Russell Stanners steps down as Vodafone NZ CEO
Posted 12-Jun-2018 09:13


Intergen recognised as 2018 Microsoft Country Partner of the Year for New Zealand
Posted 12-Jun-2018 08:00


Finalists Announced For Microsoft NZ Partner Awards
Posted 6-Jun-2018 15:12


Vocus Group and Vodafone announce joint venture to accelerate fibre innovation
Posted 5-Jun-2018 10:52


Kogan.com to launch Kogan Mobile in New Zealand
Posted 4-Jun-2018 14:34


Enable doubles fibre broadband speeds for its most popular wholesale service in Christchurch
Posted 2-Jun-2018 20:07


All or Nothing: New Zealand All Blacks arrives on Amazon Prime Video
Posted 2-Jun-2018 16:21


Innovation Grant, High Tech Awards and new USA office for Kiwi tech company SwipedOn
Posted 1-Jun-2018 20:54


Commerce Commission warns Apple for misleading consumers about their rights
Posted 30-May-2018 13:15


IBM leads Call for Code to use cloud, data, AI, blockchain for natural disaster relief
Posted 25-May-2018 14:12


New FUJIFILM X-T100 aims to do better job than smartphones
Posted 24-May-2018 20:17


Stuff takes 100% ownership of Stuff Fibre
Posted 24-May-2018 19:41



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.