Telecom and IPv6

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#75791 23-Jan-2011 13:31

Has there been any news on how Telecom intends to managed the transfer to IPv6 for their customers?

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#430397 24-Jan-2011 00:19

*watches*

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#430426 24-Jan-2011 08:29

Maybe in a few years when we run out of IPV4 addresses we'll know the answer! There is no impending doom.

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#430430 24-Jan-2011 08:36

sbiddle: Maybe in a few years when we run out of IPV4 addresses we'll know the answer! There is no impending doom.

+1 for that Steve... However I do see a black / grey market for selling Subnets to Telco's from larger companies who refresh their internal IP networks to be private networks only and thus not need their public range.

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#430444 24-Jan-2011 09:12

Years? Be realistic, We've got 12-18months the Asia Pacific region before ISP's have to either go v6 or do CGN

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#430464 24-Jan-2011 10:21

I think Telecom has tons and tons of ipv4 address space allocated to them by APNIC, they are not in any danger or running out of ipv4 addresses to allocate to customers anytime soon.

In fact many large companies have tons of ipv4 address space to use. So the short term issue imo is that at some point some new external sites on the net might only be available via ipv6.

Moving to ipv6 for large complex ISP's/telco's is a mammoth task, I'd expect them to implement an interim solution (translation gateway) that allows new ipv6 only sites to be accessible to their customers (who are still on ipv4).

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#430472 24-Jan-2011 10:35

APNIC wont give them ton's and ton's of space, A new allocation requires Telecom to show 80% usage of current alloctions. If they have this then by looking at current ranges they have it seems they grab /16's each time which is 65k IP's

As I said I think Telecom will go the CGN path and look at something like NAT46 for IPv6 only connections, Telecom's transition to v6 is a huge task but it would be nice to hear Telecom confirm they have a team working on it :)

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#430480 24-Jan-2011 10:53

Beccara: APNIC wont give them ton's and ton's of space, A new allocation requires Telecom to show 80% usage of current alloctions. If they have this then by looking at current ranges they have it seems they grab /16's each time which is 65k IP's

As I said I think Telecom will go the CGN path and look at something like NAT46 for IPv6 only connections, Telecom's transition to v6 is a huge task but it would be nice to hear Telecom confirm they have a team working on it :)

Well imo it's likely they already have tons of space from back in the day when /24's used to be given out by to everyone like candy instead of /8's and /16's.

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#430481 24-Jan-2011 10:58

Once again Telecom have gone to APNIC for allocations recently which means they must show 80% useage. Unless APNIC ignore policy for Telecom

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#430484 24-Jan-2011 11:06

Beccara: Years? Be realistic, We've got 12-18months the Asia Pacific region before ISP's have to either go v6 or do CGN

Umm, think they were being sarcastic maybe.

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#430531 24-Jan-2011 12:36

The issue is not only about Telecom issuing IPv6 addresses but providing some sort of IPv6 access.

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#430549 24-Jan-2011 13:21

The good news is, Telecom New Zealand International have IPv6 space already assigned (2403:9800::/32) via AS4648 (thanks to bgp.he.net ;)). Really it's just a matter of when they then use the connectivity they have for infrastructure/ISP uses etc.

To be fair though, from Telecom's standpoint, they've got a lot to wait on before distributing IPv6 solutions to customers, (business customers via Gen-i is likely less of an issue I admit).

But customers via the Retail/Retail Business arms... Not only do they have to worry about CPE for ADSL/etc (which is becoming less of an actual issue each month), but also consumer devices for mobile/Tivo/etc.

From what I've read (a mobile carrier in the US, can't remember which), Nokia have some of the best IPv6 supporting handsets out there, last I checked, Android doesn't do cellular IPv6 and only does some WiFi based IPv6 (my personal experience is zero support all round though).

But I just find Telecom assigned at least one /32 of IPv6 space as a really positive sign, especially when you consider the International peerings they have for IPv6 (NTT America, HE.net, EasyNet (which also means Level3.net & Vocus), the only thing really missing imo is some Australian IPv6 peering).

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#430589 24-Jan-2011 14:21

I wouldn't read too much into their allocation, There is a big button inside APNIC's control panel that gives you an allocation automatically without the paper work if you have a big enough IPv4 allocation :)

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#430593 24-Jan-2011 14:23

Beccara: I wouldn't read too much into their allocation, There is a big button inside APNIC's control panel that gives you an allocation automatically without the paper work if you have a big enough IPv4 allocation :)

My point isn't that they have the allocation, but they are actively peering it via BGP etc, which means that there is at least a conscious effort w/in Telecom at _some_ level that IPv6 exists.

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#430594 24-Jan-2011 14:25

Telecom's different business divisions seem to have their own ASN, here is the ASN for Telecom "Retail" (I think)
http://bgp.he.net/AS2570

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#430669 24-Jan-2011 18:39

Thanks everyone for the replies. It's interesting to see the differing viewpoints on the dates for when Telecom needs to move to IPv6. I am just wondering as we are seeing a number of major ISP's in America (Comcast being the first that springs to mind) beginning to think about/shift to an IPv6 Solution. Wouldn't do for us to get left behind.

Of course you can get IPv6 via teredo now on windows machines and I have been visiting some sites in IPV6 and it is quite slow due too the encapsulation, native IPv6 support from telecom would be nice :) .

edit: On that note, how many IP's will they allocate per account? There has been some talk on other forums about this and they seem to agree that there will be a fair number of IP addresses assigned to each account with the ISP (Just because there are so many addresses and it's easier on the ISP's routing tables.)

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