[TelstraClear] Telstraclear and IPv6

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#434519 2-Feb-2011 21:48

antoniosk:
What does IPv6 give you as a residential customer?

Well you can see the content at http://www.ipv6porn.co.nz . What else do you need IPv6 for??

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#434522 2-Feb-2011 21:56

Oh I would hate to be a level 1 phone guy in any ISP that turns CGN/NAT444 on, I think I would shoot myself.

Everyone needs to stop thinking that v6 is going to give them something, It's not going to make your net faster (altho it did running torrnent p2p peers over a v6 tunnel, most ISP traffic management didn't catch it) nor is it going to give you access to some fantasy lsd-laced internet. All it's going to do is ensure that I can talk to you and you can talk to me without having to ask/pay the ISP for a static port forward or static IP.

We've got too many people on the IPv4 plane and it's going down in flames, need to shift some people to the IPv6 plane to lighten the load a little

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#434844 3-Feb-2011 14:24

We have some business customers who are already using IPv6 via the TelstraClear network. In the Consumer space, we are making changes to the necessary support structures, including training, and also working with equipment manufacturers to ensure that consumer equipment is fully IPv6 capable. This activity proceeds ?under the surface?, working its way up towards full Consumer availability. Meanwhile, we are an active participant in the IPv6 Task Force ( http://www.ipv6.org.nz/ ).

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#435615 5-Feb-2011 10:45

You'll also find that TelstraClear run an anycast 6to4 gateway

traceroute 192.88.99.1
traceroute to 192.88.99.1 (192.88.99.1), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 10.10.100.1 (10.10.100.1) 0.819 ms 0.391 ms 0.321 ms
2 10.33.192.1 (10.33.192.1) 9.716 ms 8.123 ms 8.545 ms
3 lo0.internet.ivpn.pe25.telstraclear.net (218.101.61.124) 26.482 ms 10.335 ms 12.410 ms
4 * * *
5 ie1-g-0-0-0.telstraclear.net (203.98.50.1) 19.280 ms 19.753 ms 20.049 ms
6 ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net (203.98.50.251) 19.498 ms 21.716 ms 19.864 ms
7 192.88.99.1 (192.88.99.1) 28.803 ms 25.066 ms 25.872 ms

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#435635 5-Feb-2011 12:45

LennonNZ:
antoniosk:
What does IPv6 give you as a residential customer?

Well you can see the content at http://www.ipv6porn.co.nz . What else do you need IPv6 for??

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hahahahahha yes, Mauricio has already put this one up. Nice to see where his priorities lie. !

For the greater community: please do not misunderstand my question. I am not asking 'why should anyone bother?', as that much is clear. But often, technology development is cast as being beneficial to everyone who would use it. IPv6 is plumbing detail, and for most people on the planet they won't give a monkeys about it. VOIP is the same - the technology is mildly interesting, but not as much as how service providers configure and use it (which has primarily been around making calls cheaper. Once calls are priced at nothing... then what?).

For those involved in support, removing NAT is certainly helpful - never liked it, but understood why it's there.

Beyond enabling more people to get connected - which IS important - and helping connect multiple networks in a different way - also helpful - there isn't much else I can see that will actually be really life changing for the vast majority. It'll go backwards for a while though, as nobody can risk going ipv6 only yet, and nobody can afford to stay v4 endlessly. A bit like building GSM 900 and 1800, WCDMA 850/900/1900/2100 - if your kit doesn't support it, you're left out. Hence radio chips that connect to nearly everything. I expect those IP gateways will be in place for a loooong time...

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#437155 9-Feb-2011 10:09

I don't think anyone here is wanting IPv6 so that they can get "MORE SPEED!!" or some other imagined benefit. For me there are two parts to why I asked the question.
I know that from a practical perspective ISP's need to be actively working on deploying IPv6 and there are already ISP's that are offering IPv6. Much as I hate to say it Telstra have a bit of a record of taking a while to get new technology out the door so the concern then becomes just how aggressively are Tesltra moving towards releasing IPv6 to their customers? The odd article saying that Telstra is working on it is all well and good but it does not provide anything tangible.
The second reason at least in my case is that I work in IT, I run a Astaro firewall which is a enterprise product and has full support for IPv6. I am trying to get familiar with IPv6 before it becomes essential knowledge. Part of getting to grips with IPv6 is being able to deal with it working end to end as it were rather then though a tunnel. For that to happen Telstra needs to have everything in place.

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#437225 9-Feb-2011 12:34

For the average guy out there (like me) who has a wireless router connected to their TCL cable modem, will the transition to v6 affect me? My router doesn't seem to support v6.

When I look to replace my router (which I'll be doing anyway in the next year or so to upgrade to n), should I be getting one that's v6 compatible?

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#437232 9-Feb-2011 12:57

JonC: For the average guy out there (like me) who has a wireless router connected to their TCL cable modem, will the transition to v6 affect me? My router doesn't seem to support v6.

When I look to replace my router (which I'll be doing anyway in the next year or so to upgrade to n), should I be getting one that's v6 compatible?

You won't be able to reach v6 only sites/hosts. (Think p2p)

Yes, you should definetly get one that does v6! Assuming that TCL rolls out modems/etc that do it.

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#437241 9-Feb-2011 13:12

JonC: For the average guy out there (like me) who has a wireless router connected to their TCL cable modem, will the transition to v6 affect me? My router doesn't seem to support v6.

When I look to replace my router (which I'll be doing anyway in the next year or so to upgrade to n), should I be getting one that's v6 compatible?

Yea i would definitely say you should get something that has native IPv6 support even if TCL doesn't support it now. TBH the biggest problem with IPv6 is crappy home routers which don't yet support it.

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#437243 9-Feb-2011 13:14

Zeon:
JonC: For the average guy out there (like me) who has a wireless router connected to their TCL cable modem, will the transition to v6 affect me? My router doesn't seem to support v6.

When I look to replace my router (which I'll be doing anyway in the next year or so to upgrade to n), should I be getting one that's v6 compatible?

Yea i would definitely say you should get something that has native IPv6 support even if TCL doesn't support it now. TBH the biggest problem with IPv6 is crappy home routers which don't yet support it.

Yep, that's definitely mine. Thanks - will be on the lookout for v6 ones.

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