[TelstraClear] Telstraclear and IPv6

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#76375 1-Feb-2011 19:47

So I was reading an article in a PC mag last year and the subject was ISP's and their IPv6 status. I cannot recall which mag it was but in it Telstra was listed has being in the process of setting up IPv6.

So mid last month I sent an email requesting if I could be enabled for IPv6 and if not how Telstra were progressing with it. The response:

Hi Luke,

We do not use IPv6 at the moment.

If you have any further queries or to update this response please visit “My Stuff” within the Online Help section at https://telstraclear.custhelp.com/app/answers/list

If the query is regarding an urgent fault issue please contact us on 0508 888 800 for Residential customers, 0508 555 500 for Business customers. At the voice prompts please ask for "technical assistance".

Kind regards,

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Not very useful. As I know there are some from Telstra that watch these forums I am hoping that someone is in a position to comment on how Telstra is going with preparations for IPv6?

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#433917 1-Feb-2011 20:55

I am wondering the same thing. A quick Whois check shows that TelstraClear has been assigned the 2001:4400::/30 network block. Included in this is the following:

inet6num: 2001:4402:1::/48
netname: TELSTRACLEAR-IPv6-Beta-Residential-20050624
descr: Residential IPv6 Allocations

If that number at the end of the netname is a time stamp, it would suggest that Telstra has had plans for a residential IPv6 trial since at least June 2005. So I'll second the call for someone from Telstra to comment on their plans for IPv6 deployment.

On the same topic, Slashdot is currently announcing that the last available IPv4 /8 blocks have been allocated. APNIC, who allocate New Zealand ISPs IP addresses expects to run out of allocatable IPv4 address blocks within the next three to six months.

Based on this, I would welcome comments from any New Zealand ISP regarding their timeline for residential IPv6 deployment. I wonder if current lack of residential IPv6 support is the type of fault we should be registering on Geekzone's ISP fault page? I would consider an inability for the ISP to provide IPv6 as failure to provide internet service.

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#433944 1-Feb-2011 21:29

Geekzone doesn't publish or use AAAA records, so maybe there's a place to start :)

Xnet is currently doing a ipv6 "trial". See http://www.wxnz.net/ipv6-trial/

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#433957 1-Feb-2011 21:45

We have IPv6 active on our home Xnet DSL connection (a /56 subnet) and are in the process of getting a /48 subnet for both colocation and our office at work.

I'm surprised Telstra got a /30 - aren't most allocations meant to be /32?

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#433966 1-Feb-2011 21:52

Rubicon: I am wondering the same thing. A quick Whois check shows that TelstraClear has been assigned the 2001:4400::/30 network block. Included in this is the following:

inet6num: 2001:4402:1::/48
netname: TELSTRACLEAR-IPv6-Beta-Residential-20050624
descr: Residential IPv6 Allocations

If that number at the end of the netname is a time stamp, it would suggest that Telstra has had plans for a residential IPv6 trial since at least June 2005. So I'll second the call for someone from Telstra to comment on their plans for IPv6 deployment.

On the same topic, Slashdot is currently announcing that the last available IPv4 /8 blocks have been allocated. APNIC, who allocate New Zealand ISPs IP addresses expects to run out of allocatable IPv4 address blocks within the next three to six months.

Based on this, I would welcome comments from any New Zealand ISP regarding their timeline for residential IPv6 deployment. I wonder if current lack of residential IPv6 support is the type of fault we should be registering on Geekzone's ISP fault page? I would consider an inability for the ISP to provide IPv6 as failure to provide internet service.

What does IPv6 give you as a residential customer?

Seriously. Ipv6 is important for ongoing service delivery, and it will eventually be great for getting of NAT Traversal monstroties, but IPv6-IPv4 gateways are going to be around for ages.

So what does IPv6 seriously enable you to do today, that you can't already?

Perhaps Mauricio might wish to comment as well...

btw I'd say the details above look rock solid to me.

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#433972 1-Feb-2011 22:02

kyhwana2: Geekzone doesn't publish or use AAAA records, so maybe there's a place to start :)

We used to, until we moved from ICONZ to Datacom.

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#433973 1-Feb-2011 22:03

antoniosk:
What does IPv6 give you as a residential customer?.

Think of it as future proofing. :)
(It's sort of, but not quite like: Buying a 3G phone now, instead of continuing to use your old CDMA phone. That analogy is pretty incorrect, I suppose)

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#433979 1-Feb-2011 22:13

kyhwana2: Geekzone doesn't publish or use AAAA records, so maybe there's a place to start :)

geekzone *had* an ipv6 adress and AAAA record towards the end of the time it was hosted at ICONZ. when the hosting shifted to datacom, the ipv6 support was gone...

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#433988 1-Feb-2011 22:27

antoniosk:

What does IPv6 give you as a residential customer?

Seriously. Ipv6 is important for ongoing service delivery, and it will eventually be great for getting of NAT Traversal monstroties, but IPv6-IPv4 gateways are going to be around for ages.

So what does IPv6 seriously enable you to do today, that you can't already?

Perhaps Mauricio might wish to comment as well...

btw I'd say the details above look rock solid to me.

Unfortunately switching to IPv6 isn't as simple as flicking a switch and there it is. WE all need to get used to it, find potential problems, document them and get fixes etc.

The reason we are doing it now is so we are knowledgeable about it before the point at which we are forced to use it.

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#434095 2-Feb-2011 09:04

TelstraClear's IPv6 readiness well advanced

http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/company-info/media-release-template.cfm?newsid=376&myear=2010

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#434298 2-Feb-2011 14:59

I had checked the website some time ago but at that stage where was zero hits.

I am guessing that all the cable modems will need to be replaced and as Telstra is going from core to edge they will be the last part of the puzzle. Well if they need volunteers for trialling IPv6....

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#434327 2-Feb-2011 15:56

We're compiling an update on our IPv6 project and will post the link here. Stay tuned GZ'ers.

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#434340 2-Feb-2011 16:17

antoniosk:
Rubicon: I am wondering the same thing. A quick Whois check shows that TelstraClear has been assigned the 2001:4400::/30 network block. Included in this is the following:

inet6num: 2001:4402:1::/48
netname: TELSTRACLEAR-IPv6-Beta-Residential-20050624
descr: Residential IPv6 Allocations

If that number at the end of the netname is a time stamp, it would suggest that Telstra has had plans for a residential IPv6 trial since at least June 2005. So I'll second the call for someone from Telstra to comment on their plans for IPv6 deployment.

On the same topic, Slashdot is currently announcing that the last available IPv4 /8 blocks have been allocated. APNIC, who allocate New Zealand ISPs IP addresses expects to run out of allocatable IPv4 address blocks within the next three to six months.

Based on this, I would welcome comments from any New Zealand ISP regarding their timeline for residential IPv6 deployment. I wonder if current lack of residential IPv6 support is the type of fault we should be registering on Geekzone's ISP fault page? I would consider an inability for the ISP to provide IPv6 as failure to provide internet service.

What does IPv6 give you as a residential customer?

Seriously. Ipv6 is important for ongoing service delivery, and it will eventually be great for getting of NAT Traversal monstroties, but IPv6-IPv4 gateways are going to be around for ages.

So what does IPv6 seriously enable you to do today, that you can't already?

Perhaps Mauricio might wish to comment as well...

btw I'd say the details above look rock solid to me.

#1 thing right now is getting out of NAT hell, Soon it will be getting around the CGN Hell we will have. IPv6 is already in use by a few things you wouldn't have thought it was. Apple uses it for MobileMe and BackToMyMac as I understand it. There will be a time soon where you wont be able to get back in to your internet connection because your ISP will be using CGN and NAT'ing your connection along with a few thousand other connections, Kiss goodbye to running any server on your connection and say hello to NAT hell with SIP/P2P/PS3/XBOX

IPv6 for today is prudent future proofing, You can either do it today and get settled into it and understanding it or you can do it in a mad rush when your ISP tell's you you'll be loosing your static IP in 30 days and if you want to keep it you'll have to pay $40/mth for it.

We're past the point now where "Whats the point?" is a valid question, Those that get on board now and get familiar with it are going to have a nice stress-free transition when v4 is no longer handed out on a broadband connection. Anyone left at that point is going to have alot of egg on their face if they are IT support for anyone

edit:// Also Telstra's /30 allocation is funny, The 18,446,744,073,709,552,000 IP's from a /32 wasn't enough???

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#434505 2-Feb-2011 21:16

Beccara: Also Telstra's /30 allocation is funny, The 18,446,744,073,709,552,000 IP's from a /32 wasn't enough????

The allocations are registered as four consecutive /32 blocks. I suspect that this may be future proofing should Telstra ever be required (or choose) to separate into infrastructure and retail divisions, as happened to Telecom.

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#434510 2-Feb-2011 21:23

Beccara:

#1 thing right now is getting out of NAT hell, Soon it will be getting around the CGN Hell we will have. IPv6 is already in use by a few things you wouldn't have thought it was.

Microsofts Windows 7 "homegroups" requires IPv6, too :)

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#434518 2-Feb-2011 21:43

antoniosk: So what does IPv6 seriously enable you to do today, that you can't already?

I don't specifically need an IPv6 connection tomorrow morning. However, I would definitely like to ensure that IPv6 works correctly for me before my ISP starts NAT-ting me in 6 to 12 months time. I consider v4 to v4 NAT at the ISP level to be an abomination, and would not willingly use an ISP that forced me to do this. The only type of NAT that I would accept from ISP is NAT64 to enable an IPv6-only host to communicate with an IPv4-only host.

I am aware that it is currently possible to obtain IPv6 connectivity through a tunnel broker such as Gogo6 or Hurricane Electric. The problem with this is that my Internet access is then being provided by a third party, not my ISP.

Currently, ISPs should be providing an v6 tunnelling service within their own network. Preferably something like Teredo, so their customers can obtain v6 access without completely upgrading their networking gear. In the near future, the ISP should publicly announce when they expect to exhaust their IPv4 allocations and start introducing v4 to v4 NAT. At this point, they should be offering native v6 connections to their customers. I would consider an adequate lead-in time between offering native v6 connections and the introduction of v4 to v4 NAT to be at least 6 months, preferably longer.

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