How times change... TUANZ says Vodafone rural coverage is not optimal

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kyhwana2

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#447487 11-Mar-2011 09:34

magnet: Replying to JohnR
Re: being against the law to use a booster amplifier

Unbelieeevable!

Where is this law?

http://www.rsm.govt.nz/cms/policy-and-planning/spectrum-policy-overview

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#447491 11-Mar-2011 09:45

why do you risk affecting the stability of the services? These units are nothing more than an 2 way amplifier offering short range signal gain. Its like having an 8dbi whip antenna (as in the good old days) on your mobile brick. They are used around the globe why is NZ so sacred and protective?
No sorry I cannot see any reason why these devices should be banned.
The only other solution is better coverage.

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#447494 11-Mar-2011 09:58

I know this article is about amplifiers in vehicles but is a good read - including all the techy stuff!

http://www.cellutronics.co.nz/index.php?bShow=11&cat=1

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#447525 11-Mar-2011 11:55

magnet: why do you risk affecting the stability of the services? These units are nothing more than an 2 way amplifier offering short range signal gain. Its like having an 8dbi whip antenna (as in the good old days) on your mobile brick. They are used around the globe why is NZ so sacred and protective?
No sorry I cannot see any reason why these devices should be banned.
The only other solution is better coverage.

If these are used incorrectly then they can interfere with the coverage for others, I used to have one but I set it up correctly to ensure I didn't interfere, I also had a 900MHz uplink to the tower and 1800MHz local (GSM Only). Most amp's don't do this.

I now have sure signal and it works far better.

Hmmmm

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#447526 11-Mar-2011 12:09

magnet: Replying to JohnR
Re: being against the law to use a booster amplifier

Unbelieeevable!

Where is this law?

Do you want the public to use your network or not?? Frankly I'm very tempted to jump ship.

http://www.rsm.govt.nz/cms

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#447528 11-Mar-2011 12:11

magnet: why do you risk affecting the stability of the services? These units are nothing more than an 2 way amplifier offering short range signal gain. Its like having an 8dbi whip antenna (as in the good old days) on your mobile brick.? They are used around the globe why is NZ so sacred and protective?
No sorry I cannot see any reason why these devices should be banned.
The only other solution is better coverage.?

These amps can put high I levels onto serving cells and wipe them out

You could stop someone from calling 111 also increase dropped call rates.

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#447530 11-Mar-2011 12:35

I would welcome a Vodafone Network engineer to our location and provide a solution for us, otherwise its a move to XT which romps in here.

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#447535 11-Mar-2011 12:40

magnet: I would welcome a Vodafone Network engineer to our location and provide a solution for us, otherwise its a move to XT which romps in here.

Vodafone provide a solution already ' Sure Signal ' You don't need an Engineer for that.

No carrier can provide every location in New Zealand with prime coverage also carriers do not mirror image coverage foot prints.

As I have advised 50 times before, I know places where Telecom provide good coverage and Vodafone low coverage and vice versa. That is mobile coverage you can't please everyone

John

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#447537 11-Mar-2011 13:13

Only problem with Sure Siginal is that you have to have Vodafone as your ISP so all the problems of changing ISP's.

Is there any thought of changing this once eventually or is it just going to be a way to try and get more broadband customers?

Dion

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magnet: I would welcome a Vodafone Network engineer to our location and provide a solution for us, otherwise its a move to XT which romps in here.

Vodafone provide a solution already ' Sure Signal ' You don't need an Engineer for that.

No carrier can provide every location in New Zealand with prime coverage also carriers do not mirror image coverage foot prints.

As I have advised 50 times before, I know places where Telecom provide good coverage and Vodafone low coverage and vice versa. That is mobile coverage you can't please everyone

John

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#447564 11-Mar-2011 15:01

I thought you could get Yagi antennas installed to improve XT reception from companies like Cellutronics www.cellutronics.co.nz . Is that illegal too then?

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#447573 11-Mar-2011 15:09

Glee: I thought you could get Yagi antennas installed to improve XT reception from companies like Cellutronics www.cellutronics.co.nz . Is that illegal too then?

Grey area, its modifying an approved device which then makes it not an approved device. Same as if you change the antenna on your wireless access point, its now not got FCC/whoever approval so you should hire a specilist to ensure that you are within the license still. Carkits and stuff are designed and installed by "experts" who should know better about what they are doing.

Not sure how it works with the passive repeaters where you are not actually plugging anything into the radio. I know that putting another antenna beside the one on a handheld radio is done a lot on the PRS/FRS radios that do not allow for user removable antennas on them to connect to a rooftop one and noone seems to bat an eyelid at that.

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#447617 11-Mar-2011 16:40

@Johnr
OK soo the Sure Signal is limited to VF ADSL customers... but do they have to be VF mobile customers???

Can MVNO users apply?? After all they're using the VF network?

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#447626 11-Mar-2011 17:04

oxnsox: @Johnr
OK soo the Sure Signal is limited to VF ADSL customers... but do they have to be VF mobile customers???

Can MVNO users apply?? After all they're using the VF network?

No. It's a Vodafone product for Vodafone customers.

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#447646 11-Mar-2011 18:04

Both Vodafone's and Telecom's WCDMA networks are very sensitive to the uplink signals transmitted by the mobile devices back to the serving base station. Thats why the device output power is strictly power-controlled, to ensure they deliver "just enough" signal at the base station, and no more.

A real issue with repeaters is the risk of uncontrolled feedback. Have you ever held a PA microphone too close to the speakers? The noise you get is unpleasant and it can hurt the ears. The same kind of noise can be generated by a poorly installed/malfunctioning repeater, with radio waves rather than sound waves - and when this happens it really "hurts the ears" of the cellular base station too.

There other other (albeit less dramatic) issues with repeaters, which is why the operators generally are cautious with their use in the network, and they are not available for a customer to self-install.

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#447653 11-Mar-2011 18:26

oxnsox: @Johnr
OK soo the Sure Signal is limited to VF ADSL customers... but do they have to be VF mobile customers???

Can MVNO users apply?? After all they're using the VF network?

It works with Vodafone mobile customers and international roaming partners. It does not work with 2degrees or any MVNO. But this was already discussed at length in the Sure Signal discussion.

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