Vodafone plans for VoIP

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#1896945 7-Nov-2017 16:23

What equipment do you need for the wireless phone + 1 handset Vodafone provides (for multi-phones) to work on cable in Lower Hutt? I presume our Cisco DPC3008 modem and TP Link wireless router won't cut it.

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#1897119 7-Nov-2017 19:57

@antoniosk: What if you don’t use the Voda supplied router?

You should be able to use a third party router, and just use the Vodafone router as an ATA for phones. I have this setup with the older HG659 on fibre, and I expect it would work on the newer model as well.

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#1897120 7-Nov-2017 19:58

I have a POTS line with Voda and fibre with BigPipe. I have several analogue extensions in the house and a monitored alarm. This is because I used to have Vodafone cable and TV and ditched them both. When Chorus came to install fibre, I kept the Voda POTS since that was the easiest installation and Chorus didn't have to muck around with my phone.

I know the discussion is VDSL initially but eventually Voda is going to want to move all their POTS customers to VoIP. So what happens if your Internet is not with them? Are they going to try to connect a POTS line to the fibre box that Chorus supplied and if so, how is the analogue voice going to get to all my extensions? The fibre box (can't remember the precise term) is not near the demarc and in fact is wired to an upstairs room near my office.

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#1897136 7-Nov-2017 20:25

We live in a rural community and have VDSL. We have an account with Vodafone (B/B & landline) and 2talk. We use the 2talk remote callback facility to make toll calls as our direct VOIP line is at times unsatisfactory. I called Vodafone today with regard to this issue and was told that there will be an opt-out option for migration to VOIP.

Vodafone get their landlines from Chorus, not Spark as indicated elsewhere. So as long as Chorus continue to maintain their switching network you should be OK for the likes of medical, burglar alarms and phone lines where internet is not reliable.

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#1897169 7-Nov-2017 21:20

Chorus have the lines, Spark still owns the NEAX so unless Voda have their own DSLAM or MSAM at your serving exchange you are at the mercy of Spark.

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#1897207 7-Nov-2017 22:21

mugs2000:

Vodafone get their landlines from Chorus, not Spark as indicated elsewhere. So as long as Chorus continue to maintain their switching network you should be OK for the likes of medical, burglar alarms and phone lines where internet is not reliable.

Spark own the NEAX switches. Chorus own the exchange buildings that house these.

Chorus don't actually provide landlines - these are a wholesale service provided by Spark to Chorus for them to to resell to other providers.

A number of RSP's already provide copper voice services over Chorus copepr using their baseband IP product which is VoIP from the cabinet or exchange but copper to the customer.

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#1897322 8-Nov-2017 09:04

Thanks for the info Steve & Johnny99. I was clearly given incorrect information by Vodafone. So I guess that unless our internet is upgraded then our whole community will receive less than satisfactory quality speech.

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#1897361 8-Nov-2017 10:14

Wonder what they are doing for fax

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#1897479 8-Nov-2017 12:11

mugs2000:

Thanks for the info Steve & Johnny99. I was clearly given incorrect information by Vodafone. So I guess that unless our internet is upgraded then our whole community will receive less than satisfactory quality speech.

That assumption is about as far from the truth as you can get.

Quality of a VoIP call is identical to that of analogue - it uses the very same G.711 codec as existing TDM voice calls and you'll have the very same MOS scores in a well engineered network.

There are already large numbers of people using Chorus PSTN emilation via the ISAM-V cards who would be completely oblivious to the fact they're on VoIP not a NEAX.

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#1897617 8-Nov-2017 14:39

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colinuu:

I would like to ditch our landline altogether, but I think VoLTE is the key for us.

colinuu Why is VoLTE they key for you? 3G does HD voice as it is now

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Suppose there is always that hot VoLTE will bring cross carrier HD voice?

i'd certainly prefer not to be dropping to 3G for every call...

Could do cross carrier HD voice on 3G if they wanted to

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I remember this being discussed when Voda first introduced HD Voice but they said they wouldn't as "What's in it for us?"

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#1897682 8-Nov-2017 18:01

I just got a letter today out of the blue telling me they're cutting me over within the next month.

I've had a monitored alarm for around 10 years over the POTS and have been told I'll have to upgrade my alarm panel ($750) and as a bonus the new monitoring rate will go up as well.

From the talk here it seems that Vodafone are pushing this on their customers - from the letter I received it looked more like an exchange upgrade forcing the issue.

Does anyone know if I can use a media converter to allow the security panel's existing PSTN modem to work over the VOIP service Vodafone is offering?

Also - is it possible to "resist an immediate shift" while saving up for a new panel - Vodafone's voice migration 0800 hotline isnt answering at the moment.... I'd be interested to hear if anyone has been able to find out if they can get a stay of execution?

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#1897731 8-Nov-2017 19:11

nzbsgfan:

I just got a letter today out of the blue telling me they're cutting me over within the next month.

I've had a monitored alarm for around 10 years over the POTS and have been told I'll have to upgrade my alarm panel ($750) and as a bonus the new monitoring rate will go up as well.

From the talk here it seems that Vodafone are pushing this on their customers - from the letter I received it looked more like an exchange upgrade forcing the issue.

Does anyone know if I can use a media converter to allow the security panel's existing PSTN modem to work over the VOIP service Vodafone is offering?

Also - is it possible to "resist an immediate shift" while saving up for a new panel - Vodafone's voice migration 0800 hotline isnt answering at the moment.... I'd be interested to hear if anyone has been able to find out if they can get a stay of execution?

Cheers

Firstly, unless your panel is some random old panel, contactID converters for IP or GPRS are around $350 (installed) on the high end. $750, someone is taking you for a ride. And I have only seen the numpty's at ADT want to increase the monitoring rate.

Also, VF have said in other releases that customer may opt to stay on the PSTN - why anyone would is beyond me. Pay the money, upgrade the panel, and be done with it for another ten years.

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#1897753 8-Nov-2017 19:47

Thanks for the information

The panel is quite old but still functions perfectly
It’s a Paradox 10 zone “Spectra” alarm - monitored by Monitor NZ. So it looks like more than one company are upping their prices

Nice to know I can opt out for now - that way I can budget for a new panel and potentially make a move from VDSL to Fibre

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#1897763 8-Nov-2017 20:01

nzbsgfan:

I've had a monitored alarm for around 10 years over the POTS and have been told I'll have to upgrade my alarm panel ($750) and as a bonus the new monitoring rate will go up as well.

Your alarm company is ripping you off. Is your alarm actually 10 years old or newer? If your alarm is under 5-6 years old you should be asking them why they sold you obsolete technology.

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#1897800 8-Nov-2017 20:35

It probably is over 10years old Steve.
Might be worth getting a new install with a better monitoring plan I’m thinking

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