One NZ 5G broadband: possibility to use alternate (non-TP-Link) hardware?

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#3256179 4-Jul-2024 09:31

@trig42

Landlord doesn't care at all, it's social housing for disabled folks so the landlord assumes we're all dumb. We tried to explain security vulns in their keycard / keyfob system, nothing doing.

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#3256243 4-Jul-2024 14:06

ThatPrettyFreya:

the building has its own wifi with Mikrotik accesspoints and per-apartment SSIDs, but we trust that exactly none.

Why?

Realistically everything you've described sounds like it would be fine for non-techies - the vast majority of the population. Even per apartment SSIDs is a smart choice. Do you get your own VLAN so that your neighbour doesn't chromecast to your smart TV by mistake?

Is the wifi especially bad? If I was living in such a situation I'd be grabbing a wifi to ethernet bridge, and then doing what I wanted behind that. Given no public IP, I'd VPN to somewhere that gave me one, or find another way to get what I needed working.

It sounds like you've purchased an internet service from a 3rd party (OneNZ) that doesn't provide the feature you really want: a public IP assigned to a device you supply. That is a niche requirement. You failed to do your homework to ensure that the service provided the feature you need. You can't blame OneNZ for that, unless they claimed they were offering this and then didn't.

It's a pity the UDM magic VPN requires public IPs, as there are other turnkey multipoint VPN products that don't. Tailscale is the one I'm familiar with; ZeroTier is another.

ThatPrettyFreya

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#3256248 4-Jul-2024 14:15

well, they're gonna provide bridge mode soon:tm: so...

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#3256270 4-Jul-2024 15:28

deadlyllama:

It's a pity the UDM magic VPN requires public IPs, as there are other turnkey multipoint VPN products that don't. Tailscale is the one I'm familiar with; ZeroTier is another.

Article I linked on page 3 says site magic works behind NAT.

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#3256284 4-Jul-2024 16:50

Spyware:

deadlyllama:

It's a pity the UDM magic VPN requires public IPs, as there are other turnkey multipoint VPN products that don't. Tailscale is the one I'm familiar with; ZeroTier is another.

Article I linked on page 3 says site magic works behind NAT.

Oh! Right! How did we get another 3 pages? @ThatPrettyFreya, have you tried this? Are the other Unifi Gateways all behind NAT too?

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#3256287 4-Jul-2024 17:04

ThatPrettyFreya:

well, they're gonna provide bridge mode soon:tm: so...

"Soon" isn't really a timeline. How long do you want to wait for?

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#3256534 5-Jul-2024 10:15

quickymart:

"Soon" isn't really a timeline. How long do you want to wait for?

Jessie (@myfullflavour) can offer a SIM that can put inserted into any device, job done

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#3256567 5-Jul-2024 11:12

deadlyllama:

Oh! Right! How did we get another 3 pages? @ThatPrettyFreya, have you tried this? Are the other Unifi Gateways all behind NAT too?

Site magic requires a minimum of ONE of the nodes to be on a Public IP. All the rest can be behind CGNAT.

Huntakillaz

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#3260585 17-Jul-2024 07:50

nztim:
quickymart:

An apartment without fibre available? Where is this? Or is it more a case of the installation isn't permitted by the body corporate or something?

Common in Wellington they will run a single ONT to the basement and then distribute
broadband as part of their lease agreements at absurd rates.

On top of that prohibit the installation of ONTs anywhere else, and because they are providing “fibre internet access” it side steps the tenancy act.
With the rental shortage in Wellington its another way for landlords to make more money.

Yep this is an apt building in Welly CBD doing this and these are rates they charge for it, all while advertising on their ads they the following is available "Fibre, ADSL, Cable, Wireless",

but in reality Wireless is the only option either from the landlord (their WiFi) or via an ISP (4G/5G mobile broadband).

It's criminal considering that fiber's already in the building (just not distributed to rooms) and that you can get unlimited 5G for the the price of Landlord's 80GB (which is probably throttled as well).

https://www.spark.co.nz/shop/internet/wirelessbroadband/5g-plans.html

Also with how people need to/can work from home as well these days, and some of these tenants thought that Landlord WiFi was their only option as they couldn't get fiber

Wish something could be done about BS like this but it'll probably take another 10yrs before anything is done.

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#3260762 17-Jul-2024 14:33

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's downright illegal. What's advertised (fibre, cable, DSL) isn't available.

Fair trading act may or may not apply, tenancy tribunal should have something to say.

Average data on the Chorus Fibre network is now 600+GB/month/connection. If you attempted to move that much over their WiFi network, you would be paying about as much for your WiFi as for your rent. Tell that to a court and...

I would be sending some very formal 'please explain' letters.

professorjonny

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#3274407 22-Aug-2024 10:02

ThatPrettyFreya:

Hiya,

So we have in our apartment the One NZ unlimited 5G wireless broadband thing, and as a connection it's pretty goddamn solid. get anywhere from 400-700 mbit down, which we really can't complain about. And from a hardware perspective, the TP-Link router they gave us is perfectly fine.

But we are not here to discuss the hardware, we are here to discuss the horrific, abomination that is the software of the TP-Link Deco X80-5G.

The hardware / SOC of the device is awesome it is just the firmware is designed for the end user and has a lot of stuff removed so....

I have ported OpenWrt to this router it currently requires soldering and a serial adaptor to install but I hope to exploit the software and or isp update feature to install it directly from the routers web interface.

You can do anything you like with OpenWrt but be aware it has a steep learning curve and it designed for and by professionals with performance and stability in mind there is lots or pros with OpenWrt but a few cons also you can read about that here:

[OpenWrt Wiki] Reasons to use OpenWrt

Here is the info and install guide but just be aware that this is experimental firmware built by me:

[OpenWrt Wiki] TP-Link X80-5G V1

I have been successfully using it with skinny 4g wireless broadband instead of the huawei device they provide and I'm happy.

ThatPrettyFreya

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#3274410 22-Aug-2024 10:09

@professorjonny

We're really hoping for a version we can install without a serial port, yeah, cause a blind girl with a soldering iron is, in general, a pretty bad idea

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#3274531 22-Aug-2024 17:08

This is a dumb question, but I haven't seen it answered, so can you get VDSL? It's not going to be as fast as 5G but should be fairly stable and I think most apartment buildings still have phone lines if the copper shutdown hasn't happened yet. When copper shutdown does happen, I'm pretty sure Chorus is required to get you fibre before they can remove the copper.

I have a VDSL Fritzbox you can grab.

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#3274544 22-Aug-2024 17:40

Hi, I think you will find there is a stop sell on all copper in fibre areas, so unless your currently on copper there is no way to order it.

Cyril

ThatPrettyFreya

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#3274545 22-Aug-2024 17:50

@SomeoneSomewhere

Nope, no copper in this building, already asked. It's "apartment building policy" that residents are not authorised to get their own internet connections. Go figure.

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