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#1698074 3-Jan-2017 22:27

Scotty1986: I really can't remember what the outcome was though, unfortunately with a very sick new born and a weeks stay in hospital with next to no sleep, I'm struggling to finish a sentence!

That sounds like crap - hope your little one gets better soon.

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Jase2985:
so have you done any testing at all with the Vodafone supplied router? or just with your ASUS?

Very good question

Given the above I'd say such testing is a little way down the priority list.

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#1698114 3-Jan-2017 23:15

@Dratsab yes that might be true but the thread has been here almost 2 weeks before his child was born and it would be one of the easier things to do to rule out the router as the issue

Given hes said its having heat issues i wouldnt be surprised if it was exhibiting other issues before the power down ones

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#1698145 4-Jan-2017 05:36

Yes I was using the Vodafone supplied modem 50% off the time. It gave mostly similar results. I got to play some games tonight and do some downloading on steam. The results were surprising. I downloaded DayZ and reached 75MB/s, easily the best I have ever got and I would be very happy with that consistently. This was at around 12.30am, then I had to redo it because I put it on the wrong HDD and the second time it was around 20MB/s. Not bad, but not great. What I'm definitely noticing is some games download slow, while others are better. So obviously hosted in different locations. But on my previous connection, all games downloaded at 12.5Mb/s consistently. Anyway, bed time, at 5.36am!

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#1698206 4-Jan-2017 09:50

Scotty1986: Yes I was using the Vodafone supplied modem 50% off the time. It gave mostly similar results. I got to play some games tonight and do some downloading on steam. The results were surprising. I downloaded DayZ and reached 75MB/s, easily the best I have ever got and I would be very happy with that consistently. This was at around 12.30am, then I had to redo it because I put it on the wrong HDD and the second time it was around 20MB/s. Not bad, but not great. What I'm definitely noticing is some games download slow, while others are better. So obviously hosted in different locations. But on my previous connection, all games downloaded at 12.5Mb/s consistently. Anyway, bed time, at 5.36am!

How many times do we have to say that international downloading will never be even close to your 1gb and will change from minute to minute. We also know that VF have clearly stated that they are shaping torrent files etc.

The only benefit you really have in going 1GB over 200mb is if you have multiple computers using bandwidth at the same time.

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#1698208 4-Jan-2017 09:55

Scotty1986: Yes I was using the Vodafone supplied modem 50% off the time. It gave mostly similar results. I got to play some games tonight and do some downloading on steam. The results were surprising. I downloaded DayZ and reached 75MB/s, easily the best I have ever got and I would be very happy with that consistently. This was at around 12.30am, then I had to redo it because I put it on the wrong HDD and the second time it was around 20MB/s. Not bad, but not great. What I'm definitely noticing is some games download slow, while others are better. So obviously hosted in different locations. But on my previous connection, all games downloaded at 12.5Mb/s consistently. Anyway, bed time, at 5.36am!

A lot of this on steam depends on where the content is hostest and the type of content your downloading. Most of steams content now is compressed so when you download it your decompressing it. I noticed that my laptop was doing chunks of data, at a decent rate then it would decompress that chunk and bottleneck for a few minutes then jump back up. But when we are dealing with such high line speaks guys the bottles necks are your home computers.

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#1700895 10-Jan-2017 13:38

Interesting discussion as far as the technical aspects of the discussion goes.

I have recently - 3 days ago - upgraded to Fibre X 200 and am pleasantly surprised at the stability and the speedtest results I get. The only reason I upgraded was that it is supposed to be cheaper than the old 50/10 plan I was on!

A couple of things I should clarify.

I was having issues (about 6 months or so ago) with my old 50/10 connection running down at 2 up for a while, which was fixed instantly when I rang and complained, so decided to implement some monitoring.

I now regularly - every 3 hours - run speed tests from my Linux box using a perl script, speedtest-cli and speedtest-cli-extras. The results are posted to my Twitter account and, on the Fibre X connection are consistently above the 180Mb/s target I have currently set for notifications via email.

I also check manually on the odd occasion using my Windows box using the "Speedtest by Oookla" app and have been getting 201Mbps down and 20Mbps up

I would have posted images if I had been able to .

Both boxes have "Gigabit" Ethernet cards and run through the standard Vodafone HG-659 router and their TC4400VDF modem. I have a Cable connection and use cat6 cables between all my gear.

I suspect that the minor differences I get are probably due to the age of the hardware - the Linux box is a bit older that the Windows 10 one . I very occasionally complain to Vodafone about an individual slow speed result from the Linux Box via Twitter - just to keep them on their toes - and so far they have been really good to deal with.

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#1700900 10-Jan-2017 13:52

Downer have confirmed there is a issue with the network, but probably isolated to a small area in my neighbourhood. They monitored my connection along with 1 other connection a few houses down, they observed abnormal speeds at different times of the day on both connections at the same time. The downer tech said it was not normal and I can expect it to be fixed over the next 2 weeks, but then said to ring Vodafone if I don't notice a improvement.

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#1700916 10-Jan-2017 14:20

SteveWright:

[snip]I now regularly - every 3 hours - run speed tests from my Linux box using a perl script, speedtest-cli and speedtest-cli-extras. The results are posted to my Twitter account and, on the Fibre X connection are consistently above the 180Mb/s target I have currently set for notifications via email.

I also check manually on the odd occasion using my Windows box using the "Speedtest by Oookla" app and have been getting 201Mbps down and 20Mbps up[snip]

You can simply NOT rely on the speedtest-cli and speedtest-cli extras results. I (and another gent who knows more about it than me) did a bunch of testing and they are NOT reliable at higher speeds...

I also spoke to our account manager at Ookla and they confirmed there is no official CLI client.

Cheers - N

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#1700921 10-Jan-2017 14:34

Scotty1986: Downer have confirmed there is a issue with the network, but probably isolated to a small area in my neighbourhood. They monitored my connection along with 1 other connection a few houses down, they observed abnormal speeds at different times of the day on both connections at the same time. The downer tech said it was not normal and I can expect it to be fixed over the next 2 weeks, but then said to ring Vodafone if I don't notice a improvement.

All this fuss would have been alleviated if you had just done what was suggested early in the forum and log a fault.....amazing.

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#1700938 10-Jan-2017 15:00

Talkiet:

You can simply NOT rely on the speedtest-cli and speedtest-cli extras results. I (and another gent who knows more about it than me) did a bunch of testing and they are NOT reliable at higher speeds...

I also spoke to our account manager at Ookla and they confirmed there is no official CLI client.

Cheers - N

Their technicians use it to see what speed they are getting after an install so it can't be too bad and I'm not relying on them! I use them to gauge where my connection is at. If they are out by a little bit who cares? I know that there are a lot of different factors that will have an impact on the reported numbers. They at least give some idea of the current speed and when they are more than 25% below what I am paying for then I can start asking VF what the story is.

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#1700946 10-Jan-2017 15:09

Scotty1986: Downer have confirmed there is a issue with the network, but probably isolated to a small area in my neighbourhood. They monitored my connection along with 1 other connection a few houses down, they observed abnormal speeds at different times of the day on both connections at the same time. The downer tech said it was not normal and I can expect it to be fixed over the next 2 weeks, but then said to ring Vodafone if I don't notice a improvement.

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#1700957 10-Jan-2017 15:22

SteveWright:

Talkiet:

You can simply NOT rely on the speedtest-cli and speedtest-cli extras results. I (and another gent who knows more about it than me) did a bunch of testing and they are NOT reliable at higher speeds...

I also spoke to our account manager at Ookla and they confirmed there is no official CLI client.

Cheers - N

Their technicians use it to see what speed they are getting after an install so it can't be too bad and I'm not relying on them! I use them to gauge where my connection is at. If they are out by a little bit who cares? I know that there are a lot of different factors that will have an impact on the reported numbers. They at least give some idea of the current speed and when they are more than 25% below what I am paying for then I can start asking VF what the story is.

I know more about how speedtest works than the VF technicians, a lot more. I know how the speedtest-cli clients work and some of the factors causing them to be unreliable on high speed connections. You don't HAVE to trust that I know what I am talking about here, but you really, really should.

If anything goes less than perfect in an ookla based test, the results they display could be so far off what the connection really is it's not funny. When they go perfectly they are fine, when there are funny things going on in the network (or sometimes perfectly normal things that they don't account for) then their results can be out by so much it's not worth even looking at them.

Cheers - N

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#1700970 10-Jan-2017 15:28

@SteveWright The man above 110% knows what he is speaking about

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#1700977 10-Jan-2017 15:42

Talkiet:

I know more about how speedtest works than the VF technicians, a lot more. I know how the speedtest-cli clients work and some of the factors causing them to be unreliable on high speed connections. You don't HAVE to trust that I know what I am talking about here, but you really, really should.

If anything goes less than perfect in an ookla based test, the results they display could be so far off what the connection really is it's not funny. When they go perfectly they are fine, when there are funny things going on in the network (or sometimes perfectly normal things that they don't account for) then their results can be out by so much it's not worth even looking at them.

Cheers - N

Accepted that it's not that reliable, I get different results from different sites that run the Ookla speedtest when run at about the same time .

Sooo. Is there anything out there that is reasonably reliable that I can have a go at automating? I really want to be able to keep an eye on what speed I am getting and am happy to do a bit of basic perl to run a cron job if that's what it takes.

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#1700986 10-Jan-2017 15:53

SteveWright:

Talkiet:

I know more about how speedtest works than the VF technicians, a lot more. I know how the speedtest-cli clients work and some of the factors causing them to be unreliable on high speed connections. You don't HAVE to trust that I know what I am talking about here, but you really, really should.

If anything goes less than perfect in an ookla based test, the results they display could be so far off what the connection really is it's not funny. When they go perfectly they are fine, when there are funny things going on in the network (or sometimes perfectly normal things that they don't account for) then their results can be out by so much it's not worth even looking at them.

Cheers - N

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Accepted that it's not that reliable, I get different results from different sites that run the Ookla speedtest when run at about the same time .

Sooo. Is there anything out there that is reasonably reliable that I can have a go at automating? I really want to be able to keep an eye on what speed I am getting and am happy to do a bit of basic perl to run a cron job if that's what it takes.

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There are some reliable ways, but most of them require either having access to a server connected to your ISPs core that YOU control and are the only user of - although for only 200Mbit that may not be critical. Wget-ing a large file from a known server is actually a pretty good way to measure TCP single thread throughput, and iperf is good as well (BEWARE version and OS interoperability performance issues!).

As an example of what you CAN do when you have access to put things on the network in order to test (for example) a new high speed fibre service that many people (not us) have called gigabit, is this... (Forgive the extreme sanitising!)

Cheers - N

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