[WXC/VFX] Fibre Questions

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#103411 6-Jun-2012 19:42

Im hoping one of the knowledgable XNet guys (or someone in the know) can help answer some questions. I've emailed the help desk but have received no response.

I was looking at the fibre plans as my street has just been finished having the UFB fibre laid and have some questions.

With the Fusion Over Fibre Plus plan, does “Unlimited National” calling extend to NZ mobile phone carriers? IE: Vodafone, Telecom, 2 Degrees. I have a feeling it will be a solid "no" - but figure it cant hurt to ask!
Does the Fusion Over Fibre plans, include a static IP address, if not, is one available (as I currently do with Xnet)?

Independent of the above questions, is anyone able to tell me XNet's pairing partners? More specifically, do they pair with Citylink (and does traffic to Citylink count as zero rated data)?

Thanks in advance.

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#637017 6-Jun-2012 22:18

No I don't think it includes mobiles unfortunately. Yes a static IPv4 address is available but there may be an additional cost. You can also get a static /56 IPv6 subnet which would give you over 9000 addresses.

They do peer at citylink (lol different spelling) exchanges including APE and WIX (and possibly CHIX) but I don't think their normal plans zero rate this traffic. There are ISPs who will zero rate this traffic though.

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#637020 6-Jun-2012 22:25

With the Fusion Over Fibre Plus plan, does “Unlimited National” calling extend to NZ mobile phone carriers? IE: Vodafone, Telecom, 2 Degrees. I have a feeling it will be a solid "no" - but figure it cant hurt to ask!
Does the Fusion Over Fibre plans, include a static IP address, if not, is one available (as I currently do with Xnet)?

The Xnet Fusion over fibre plans are not for the UFB roll out, but only for Xnet's FTTH subdivisions. The unlimited national calling only applies to landlines, not to cell phones.

Static IP address is included on these fibre plans but may be removed at a later stage.

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#637087 7-Jun-2012 07:39

mrgsm021:
With the Fusion Over Fibre Plus plan, does “Unlimited National” calling extend to NZ mobile phone carriers? IE: Vodafone, Telecom, 2 Degrees. I have a feeling it will be a solid "no" - but figure it cant hurt to ask!
Does the Fusion Over Fibre plans, include a static IP address, if not, is one available (as I currently do with Xnet)?

The Xnet Fusion over fibre plans are not for the UFB roll out, but only for Xnet's FTTH subdivisions. The unlimited national calling only applies to landlines, not to cell phones.

Static IP address is included on these fibre plans but may be removed at a later stage.

Pretty much correct, your right no harm in asking, Mobiles not included in the national calling, the static IP on Fibre is not looking to be removed at this stage btw Ray

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#637105 7-Jun-2012 08:27

Zeon: No I don't think it includes mobiles unfortunately. Yes a static IPv4 address is available but there may be an additional cost. You can also get a static /56 IPv6 subnet which would give you over 9000 addresses.

They do peer at citylink (lol different spelling) exchanges including APE and WIX (and possibly CHIX) but I don't think their normal plans zero rate this traffic. There are ISPs who will zero rate this traffic though.

Happy IPV6 day BTW

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Pair/Peer, Doh - I usually get the right spelling on that.

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#637259 7-Jun-2012 12:02

maverick:
mrgsm021:
With the Fusion Over Fibre Plus plan, does “Unlimited National” calling extend to NZ mobile phone carriers? IE: Vodafone, Telecom, 2 Degrees. I have a feeling it will be a solid "no" - but figure it cant hurt to ask!
Does the Fusion Over Fibre plans, include a static IP address, if not, is one available (as I currently do with Xnet)?

The Xnet Fusion over fibre plans are not for the UFB roll out, but only for Xnet's FTTH subdivisions. The unlimited national calling only applies to landlines, not to cell phones.

Static IP address is included on these fibre plans but may be removed at a later stage.

Pretty much correct, your right no harm in asking, Mobiles not included in the national calling, the static IP on Fibre is not looking to be removed at this stage btw Ray

Thanks for the info guys. I'll keep waiting

I do have a (hopefully constructive) question however. Reading XNet's homepage (as a Joe average customer), how would one know that the Xnet Fusion over fibre plans are not for the UFB roll out, but only for Xnet's existing FTTH subdivisions?

I believe there to be a marketing issue here.

By definition UFB is FTTH - or at least FTTH for the most part, is the medium of delivery for UFB (and please feel free to re-educate me).

So, if a reasonably tech-savvy user such as myself cant initially make the distinction between a plan designed for XNet's FTTH and a plan for UFB (that doesn't yet exist it would seem), how would average Joe make the distinction based off the information solely from XNet's homepage?

Before you answer with check the availably section under the FTTH page, I did and the "Area" that I'm in is listed.
What I've done, is made the mistake of assuming that because the subdivision that I'm in has just had fibre installed, it's (technically) the same as the adjoining subdivision which is only a few hundred meters away and thus XNet's FTTH is available to me.

Or have I got it completely wrong and I am just having a moment?

Just to make it clear, I understand that even though I have the cable in the ground, it might take a few more months - or even a good half year to get the packets flowing! I'm (sorta) good with that - so I'm not having a whine! Just raising the issue for good, productive conversation.

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#651759 6-Jul-2012 11:11

Read a good article on the NZHerald website this morning.
Looks like we all might be waiting some significant time (years) to be connected via UFB if the article is anything to go by.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10817756

Care to comment Phil?

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#651830 6-Jul-2012 12:38

BigGuy: Read a good article on the NZHerald website this morning.
Looks like we all might be waiting some significant time (years) to be connected via UFB if the article is anything to go by.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10817756

Care to comment Phil?

Everybody keeps talking about UFB follout slow, but forgets that residential users are not the initial focus of the rollout.

Since the inception of CFH their stated goal has been to deliver services to business, medical providers and schools in the first 6 years. The bulk of residential will occur in years 6-10. This is still prominantly mentioned on the front page of their website.

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#651838 6-Jul-2012 12:55

sbiddle:
BigGuy: Read a good article on the NZHerald website this morning.
Looks like we all might be waiting some significant time (years) to be connected via UFB if the article is anything to go by.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10817756

Care to comment Phil?

Everybody keeps talking about UFB follout slow, but forgets that residential users are not the initial focus of the rollout.

Since the inception of CFH their stated goal has been to deliver services to business, medical providers and schools in the first 6 years. The bulk of residential will occur in years 6-10. This is still prominantly mentioned on the front page of their website.

Which is kind of retarded.. Uptake from those groups have proven to be pathetically low, and there are plenty of geeky residential customers screaming out for it.

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#651844 6-Jul-2012 13:11

Lias:
sbiddle:
BigGuy: Read a good article on the NZHerald website this morning.
Looks like we all might be waiting some significant time (years) to be connected via UFB if the article is anything to go by.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10817756

Care to comment Phil?

Everybody keeps talking about UFB follout slow, but forgets that residential users are not the initial focus of the rollout.

Since the inception of CFH their stated goal has been to deliver services to business, medical providers and schools in the first 6 years. The bulk of residential will occur in years 6-10. This is still prominantly mentioned on the front page of their website.

Which is kind of retarded.. Uptake from those groups have proven to be pathetically low, and there are plenty of geeky residential customers screaming out for it.

I don't think you can consider the current uptake as being low when there are so different factors right now.

In reality (with the exception of Northland and some trial customers) UFB connections have really only been available since early June. You've also got the vast majority of NZ ISP's yet to officially launch a retail product.

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#651861 6-Jul-2012 13:40

Working with Schools nationwide on this matter, and its a very hot topic and in past couple of months has seen major uptake.

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#651866 6-Jul-2012 13:46

Yea true that. I have a number of business customers wanting it now but their ISP simply isn't ready. I don't want to push it either as I would prefer the ISPs have their systems well tested and designed before switching customers over.

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BigGuy

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#651973 6-Jul-2012 16:28

sbiddle:
BigGuy: Read a good article on the NZHerald website this morning.
Looks like we all might be waiting some significant time (years) to be connected via UFB if the article is anything to go by.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10817756

Care to comment Phil?

Everybody keeps talking about UFB follout slow, but forgets that residential users are not the initial focus of the rollout.

Since the inception of CFH their stated goal has been to deliver services to business, medical providers and schools in the first 6 years. The bulk of residential will occur in years 6-10. This is still prominantly mentioned on the front page of their website.

You conveniently missed the part of the website that states "plus green field developments and certain tranches of residential areas (the UFB Objective)". We fall under that category - year one. They also list areas of high density as a priority.
All this is a moot point really as it's been installed and I'm ready to go. I just need an ISP (the right/only ISP - nudge, nudge XNet) to connect me up.

My understanding is that the government gives Chorus (in this instance) X amount of dollars for every household passed, payable on completion of the area (correct me if I'm wrong).
That's a portion of my tax payers money at work sitting there doing nothing - flapping in the wind. Anyone remember the (what I would consider failed) Telecom First Media broadband a while back? Food for thought.
I personally like Rod Drury's stance and think that the companies involved are lagging behind the 8-ball. This stuff should have been sorted out some time ago - before any deployments.

We've had a good year and a half folks. Enough said.

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#651981 6-Jul-2012 16:40

Zeon: Yea true that. I have a number of business customers wanting it now but their ISP simply isn't ready. I don't want to push it either as I would prefer the ISPs have their systems well tested and designed before switching customers over.

I know I'm very ignorant on the subject (so forgive my question), but why would an ISP not be ready?
I would have thought that most ISP's will have upgraded their core networking by now to accommodate the foreseen uptake.
Any accounting systems, you would hope are flexible enough to accommodate the new connectivity.

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#651983 6-Jul-2012 16:42

cyril7: Working with Schools nationwide on this matter, and its a very hot topic and in past couple of months has seen major uptake.

Cyril

If you can divulge the information Cyril, what has been the issue with the schools? Cost of initial connection or subscription cost (or something else)?

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#651984 6-Jul-2012 16:43

BigGuy:
My understanding is that the government gives Chorus (in this instance) X amount of dollars for every household passed, payable on completion of the area (correct me if I'm wrong).

This isn't the case with Chorus or Enable, but is the case with other LCF's.

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