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Topic # 17352 22-Nov-2007 16:20
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Ok, please correct me if I am wrong, but is the new vodafone at home, basically just another GSM device on the vodafone network? (like my mobile).

Then if so, why is it Vodafone can offer unlimited calling to landlines for $40 per month, but my trusty old Get70 plan for my mobile only gives me 70 offpeak minutes for $20 per month??

I mean, if the new 'at home' plan is in fact limited, (lets say 6000 minutes for example), that equates to $0.0067 per minute ($40 spread over 6000 mins, very rough estimate).
Lets be conservative and say 1c per minute.

Compare that to my Get70 plan at $1.39 per minute (daytime), there is a HUGE difference. Like a 14000% markup difference!
Even comparing to my get70 offpeak rate of 49c per minute, its still a 4900% markup.

Remember I'm only esitmating here.


Wonder how long it will be before mobile plan's come down, or get better?

I'm still waiting for a good plan with lots of offpeak minutes (to any network, any landline), and good daytime rates (to any network and any landline).
It seems all these new plans lately (incl you choose) mainly have 'vodafone network' calling, or higher monthly rates.

Or am I the only one who wants to call landlines and other networks from my vodafone mobile?

:(

Sorry, rant over

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  Reply # 96422 22-Nov-2007 16:59
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And of course you are totally right - same network but your mobile phone is eaxctly that 'mobile' where as Voda at Home is not mobile.

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  Reply # 96438 22-Nov-2007 18:03
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It's all about interconnect fees




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  Reply # 96444 22-Nov-2007 18:41
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coffeebaron: It's all about interconnect fees


Thats not all. Otherwise on net calls would be cheaper.
Telecoms certainly proven that calls can be cheap with Flexi Mytime 20/10c to any number in NZ, no cap either. Try that on You Choose.

As Gary pointed out, one is 'fixed' in one location while the other is not. When you are in a fixed location, you're only going to use a certain set of cellsites, while when you are mobile - you potentially can connect to any cell site around the country, so the costs are naturally higher. Add in only two mobile players and our landmasss as well as other factors - you start to see why the prices are the way they are.




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  Reply # 96481 22-Nov-2007 23:07
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I believe these are the following factors: (Decreasing in terms of "rip-off"..)

#1: Users are used to traditionally high mobile rates, as compared with "landlines". Hence, companies can "squeeze" more money from consumers in the mobile market.

#2: Inter-connect fees.

#3: "At Home" customers being at one place, while mobile customers venture between cell sites. (Ie: Technical costs)

#4: "Confusion" can be used in the mobile market. Many things to play around with.. (Txt, Video calls, all sorts of packages, off-peak, on-peak times, etc). In the "landline" market, just a flat fee, and unlimted calls!

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  Reply # 96500 23-Nov-2007 06:46
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cokemaster:   As Gary pointed out, one is 'fixed' in one location while the other is not. When you are in a fixed location, you're only going to use a certain set of cellsites, while when you are mobile - you potentially can connect to any cell site around the country, so the costs are naturally higher.


Can Vodafone track which cell site you are on?  So if you have a "home" cell site you are charged as per the at-home plan and all other calls based on your mobile plan?  I guess there is a complexity around incoming calls in this, but it should not be unacheivable.....

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  Reply # 96503 23-Nov-2007 07:03
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I would say that they certainly can.




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Reply # 96504 23-Nov-2007 07:19
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Robz: Can Vodafone track which cell site you are on?  So if you have a "home" cell site you are charged as per the at-home plan and all other calls based on your mobile plan?  I guess there is a complexity around incoming calls in this, but it should not be unacheivable.....


Yes, the can track. Part of the agreement is that they must comply with the geographical number rules so they limit which cell sites you can use, and will contact you if the device moves. This was discussed in the original @Home thread.




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Reply # 96513 23-Nov-2007 08:35
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Went back and read the original thread and saw the discussion points...  I guess there may be a day when the "home phone" is not a requirement for phone calls and the mobile becomes the only device.  Kind of like a you choose plan with the @home add-on...

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  Reply # 96521 23-Nov-2007 08:59
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Robz: Went back and read the original thread and saw the discussion points...  I guess there may be a day when the "home phone" is not a requirement for phone calls and the mobile becomes the only device.  Kind of like a you choose plan with the @home add-on...


I believe VF are struggling technically to impliment this, primarily due to the complexities of doing so and also due to the NAD rules that prevent moving geographical numbers outside a local area.

If you're allocated a local geographical number number linked to your handset as well as an 021 number. If VF interconnect the calls that originate from your home zone they can be zero rated local calls for interconnect purposes but the second you move away from your home zone you would have to pay mobile rates. What CID would VF send when you're at home? If they send a mobile CID can they get away with it being a zero rated local call? If you send a local geopraphic number inside your home zone and call 111 but are not actually at your home address what issues does this raise?

It's a cool concept but there are plenty of issues to resolve first.



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  Reply # 96523 23-Nov-2007 09:03
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Robz:
cokemaster:   As Gary pointed out, one is 'fixed' in one location while the other is not. When you are in a fixed location, you're only going to use a certain set of cellsites, while when you are mobile - you potentially can connect to any cell site around the country, so the costs are naturally higher.


Can Vodafone track which cell site you are on?  So if you have a "home" cell site you are charged as per the at-home plan and all other calls based on your mobile plan?  I guess there is a complexity around incoming calls in this, but it should not be unacheivable.....


I think that pretty much sums it up.

Its a shame really, I guess I'm stuck with my $1.39 per minute rate from my mobile, while the @home users get it for less than 1c a min.

Can anyone point me to a good plan (VF or Telecom), thats $30 or less a month, gives me lots of offpeak minutes (to any network / landline), and good peak rates to any network / landline.

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  Reply # 96666 24-Nov-2007 00:03
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Get 2talk and use the callback service - yes its a pain, but the savings are there and it looks like they have sorted it so the right number appears on the person you are calling - your 2talk number, which if its an 028 one you can set to foward back to your mobile for free so you will get the return calls from when they dont answer ok.  




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  Reply # 96676 24-Nov-2007 08:56
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port your 021 to telecom network
go on flexi mytime plan.
$30.00 month
off peak, first 100 mins, 20c p/m
100+ mins = 10c p/m

$30.00 = your first 100 mins and 10 txt
than 100+mins=10c min
peak time, is 99c min.
first 10 pxts msgs free

oh, and...you need to get a new telecom mobile. lol, heaps of deals at mo, with buy 1 199, get one free. etc. :)




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