Bridging vodafone ultra hub

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rachaelburke

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#261682 10-Dec-2019 14:24

Got a new Vodafone Ultra hub in the mail today after a lightening storm killed our previous modem (Vodafone HG659).

Our setup has another Netgear wireless router running our network - the modem was bridged previously to just provide internet (so we can swap modems in and out of the setup without being a huge hassle plus we can control the firewall etc ourselves).

I can't see any way to bridge this new modem.... ideas please!

wratterus

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#2371837 10-Dec-2019 14:51

Don't think you can with the UltraHub. HG659 are a dime a dozen on TM, you could just pick one up cheap. Or get something like a Draytek DV130.

rogercruse

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#2371952 10-Dec-2019 17:46

I already do this. That is, I've got a Google Wifi devices connected to my Ultra Hub router. As Google Wifi is a mesh network, this means multiple devices connected.

What you need to do:

Simply run a ethernet cable from any port on your Ultra Hub to any port (that's NOT the WAN port) on your other router. Then setup your other router like you normally would.

Be Aware:

The Ultra HUb router will only 'see' one device connected to it.

Your other router will still manage any additional devices you connect to it.

Any external access to your other router needs to be setup to navigate through the Ultra Hub router.

Yabanize

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#2371961 10-Dec-2019 18:26

rogercruse:

I already do this. That is, I've got a Google Wifi devices connected to my Ultra Hub router. As Google Wifi is a mesh network, this means multiple devices connected.

What you need to do:

Simply run a ethernet cable from any port on your Ultra Hub to any port (that's NOT the WAN port) on your other router. Then setup your other router like you normally would.

Be Aware:

The Ultra HUb router will only 'see' one device connected to it.

Your other router will still manage any additional devices you connect to it.

Any external access to your other router needs to be setup to navigate through the Ultra Hub router.

By doing this you have achieved Double NAT, which isn't ideal and can cause issues

cyril7

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#2371977 10-Dec-2019 19:16

Hi, agree with others just get on TradeMe and get a HG659 and bridge it.

Cyril

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#2371990 10-Dec-2019 19:54

Yabanize:

rogercruse:

I already do this. That is, I've got a Google Wifi devices connected to my Ultra Hub router. As Google Wifi is a mesh network, this means multiple devices connected.

What you need to do:

Simply run a ethernet cable from any port on your Ultra Hub to any port (that's NOT the WAN port) on your other router. Then setup your other router like you normally would.

Be Aware:

The Ultra HUb router will only 'see' one device connected to it.

Your other router will still manage any additional devices you connect to it.

Any external access to your other router needs to be setup to navigate through the Ultra Hub router.

By doing this you have achieved Double NAT, which isn't ideal and can cause issues

Oops!

Should have added that the DHCP needs to be disabled on the other router to prevent this.

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#2372002 10-Dec-2019 20:48

rogercruse:

Yabanize:

rogercruse:

I already do this. That is, I've got a Google Wifi devices connected to my Ultra Hub router. As Google Wifi is a mesh network, this means multiple devices connected.

What you need to do:

Simply run a ethernet cable from any port on your Ultra Hub to any port (that's NOT the WAN port) on your other router. Then setup your other router like you normally would.

Be Aware:

The Ultra HUb router will only 'see' one device connected to it.

Your other router will still manage any additional devices you connect to it.

Any external access to your other router needs to be setup to navigate through the Ultra Hub router.

By doing this you have achieved Double NAT, which isn't ideal and can cause issues

Oops!

Should have added that the DHCP needs to be disabled on the other router to prevent this.

Since the ultrahub only sees one device, that would have to be untrue.

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cyril7

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#2372003 10-Dec-2019 20:55

From what is described you have double nat, dhcp is a different issue.

Cyril

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rogercruse

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#2372118 10-Dec-2019 22:06

cyril7: From what is described you have double nat, dhcp is a different issue.

Cyril

Oops again.

I must stop posting in a hurry.

Please ignore all my posts on this subject and just do what @wratterus suggested

greenbone

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#2372720 11-Dec-2019 20:45

help please, with a similar issue

ive just switched fibre from 2degrees to vodafone. received the ultra hub today, only to find that the devices lan ip is locked to 192.168.*.*

ive got a lot of gear already configured to 10.0.*.* - automation hubs, nvr, openhab server, printers etc and id rather not have to change multiple devices just to suit the vodafone hub

is there any way i can configure my old 2degfrees fritz box to authenticate with vodafone ? (im assuming the ultra hub handles the authentication in some way)

tia

edit: nevermind, found this thread https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=40&topicid=237642

im still in the dialup mindset where a username and password is authenticated at the isp ... obviously doesnt work like that with fibre

rachaelburke

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#2375843 15-Dec-2019 14:12

Thanks all. The ultra hub refused all attempts at getting it to talk to our network (is is possible the lightening strike that took out the router also killed JUST the internet in port on our network router??), so we ended up ditching our other router and switching over to using the ultra hub to control the network, but we're less than pleased with it.

Found a number of bugs already reported on this forum, ie no longer giving out dynamic addresses if you add a static address reservation to it, not saving changes made in the user interface, and the wifi performance is terrible (constantly booting our newish apple devices off the wifi both 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz even when in the same room - our really old netgear wifi router never did that!). Firmware version is 17.1.7988-2461029-CRF897-RC2-4-9

So... alternative modems that are actually GOOD?! We're looking to put in a ubiquity setup in the near future, so just need a nice solid ADSL modem that can do PPoA (or whatever Vodafone uses!) that we can possibly switch out for a 3G/4G one in near future too if the data prices come down a bit and the promised 4G/5G towers go in close enough for us to connect to. We live rurally so being reliant on ADSL isn't great when trees like to pull the lines out just enough to degrade the signal every few months, and getting a chorus technician out is just painfully difficult.

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#2375845 15-Dec-2019 14:22

Vodafone offically only do pppoa. But will allow pppoe and dhcp over vlan 10, 0.110 atm.

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#2375857 15-Dec-2019 15:24

Hi Rachael there is a guy on the offers/wanted sub forum of GZ that has some Drayteck 130's for sale, these can be operated as a complete modem/router or bridged, and pretty rock solid devices to go with it.

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=77&topicid=261611

Cyril

kiwipeso

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#2375957 15-Dec-2019 20:17

rachaelburke:

Thanks all. The ultra hub refused all attempts at getting it to talk to our network (is is possible the lightening strike that took out the router also killed JUST the internet in port on our network router??), so we ended up ditching our other router and switching over to using the ultra hub to control the network, but we're less than pleased with it.

Found a number of bugs already reported on this forum, ie no longer giving out dynamic addresses if you add a static address reservation to it, not saving changes made in the user interface, and the wifi performance is terrible (constantly booting our newish apple devices off the wifi both 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz even when in the same room - our really old netgear wifi router never did that!). Firmware version is 17.1.7988-2461029-CRF897-RC2-4-9

So... alternative modems that are actually GOOD?! We're looking to put in a ubiquity setup in the near future, so just need a nice solid ADSL modem that can do PPoA (or whatever Vodafone uses!) that we can possibly switch out for a 3G/4G one in near future too if the data prices come down a bit and the promised 4G/5G towers go in close enough for us to connect to. We live rurally so being reliant on ADSL isn't great when trees like to pull the lines out just enough to degrade the signal every few months, and getting a chorus technician out is just painfully difficult.

I'm on HFC/ FibreX Max. Had the Vodafone UltraHub on for the initial setup, then got the settings for my decent Asus ROG RT-5300AC

This means, all you need is VLAN-10 tagging just like fibre, and accept the Vodafone DNS settings.

The router covers towards the end of a very large suburban section, halfway across the neighbouring properties, and across the street.

I'm considering using my laptop on the bench at the neighbouring plunket on the weekends, just to have a nice place to write.

wratterus

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#2376077 16-Dec-2019 08:37

Edit - never mind.