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Screeb

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#29945 23-Jan-2009 22:29
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I propose an idea that will make your customers happy, and won't hurt the wallet: Roll over data caps. That is, each month, any data left on the user's account will be transferred to the next month, and so forth. This should accumulate indefinately. So for instance, if someone is on a 40GB cap plan, and there is 1GB left at the end of the billing cycle, then the next month, the user has 41GB available. If they then only use 39GB again, the next month they will have 42GB available, etc, etc. Note that this doesn't just apply to purchased data packs (like some other ISPs have).

Now, this isn't a new idea, but I believe it's a very good one, and it's good for both ISP and customer. Normally the argument against this idea is that ISPs factor into thier prices the fact that not every customer will actually use their entire data cap each month. If they get to keep the left over data, the argument is that they will use it later, and hence end up actually using all the data they paid for (whereas normally they won't reach their cap every month).

I say this is a fallacy - most users (light users, who don't really pay attention to their caps anyway) won't do anything differently, only they will have less chance of a "bill shock" if they go over their cap accidentally, since they should have accumulated plenty of extra data cap. Heavier users, such as myself, will not necessarily use more data either - and when they do use their "extra" data, they won't use it all in one go. For example, we often have a few GB left over near the end of each month, so in the last few days, I attempt to use the data we've paid for by finding things to download that I might not have normally wanted enough. This results in heavy usage over a few days as opposed to spread out over the month. If caps rolled over, I wouldn't have to worry about that, and could use my data at any time (Not so peaky usage! ++ for you!), and wouldn't spend it on sometimes frivolous things, just to use my cap before the next cycle.

This will also have the nice side effect of rewarding long-term customers, as they are likely to have built up a large data cap, and not have to worry about going over near the end of the cycle. We've been with TelstraClear for 6 years, I think, and as far as I can tell, we're just as "rewarded" as any new customer that signs up today.

I hope you can see how beneficial this would be, and that you take it into consideration.

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  #191686 23-Jan-2009 22:38
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This sounds like Data Banking which I believe Slingshot does?

My request to Telstraclear is some updated broadband and toll plans, seems in the past 12 months that Telecom and some ISPs have brought out some new packages e.g Total Home but the most we've seen TelstraClear do is bring out Mobile.



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  #191687 23-Jan-2009 22:39
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i agree with this idea. i wish telecom xtra would do roll over data caps. i think slingshot does roll over data caps don't they?


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  #191688 23-Jan-2009 22:41
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Slingshot only rolls over datablocks that you purchased, not the base cap.



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  #191850 24-Jan-2009 19:19
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I can't see telstraclear doing this. Cost benefit analysis unless they do a big marketing push on it like slingshot, they don't gain much at all, and loose a lot on what they

Believe me, i'd love it if they did this, but first i'd like them to actually start my new billing cap at MIDNIGHT not 2-3 hours beforehand. Just FYI if anyone from TCL is reading this, the next day doesn't start until after midnight.
Often i've tried to use up my cap for what i've paid for and i check my usage at 11pm only to find its already charging it on the next months usage.
Haven't written to consumers institute about it just yet though.

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  #191860 24-Jan-2009 20:04
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I believe there was a quote from the Telstraclear CEO, or someone fairly high up the foodchain at least which basically amounted to "we're not interested in offering any bigger/faster plans, as why do people need to be able to download porn faster" - anyone got an actual source for this?

I was told mid-2007 (by 2 different people, admittedly just salespeople so who knows what info they'd been fed) that they were basically going to be doubling the speed/bandwidth caps in early 08. Here we are in early 09 and they're still the same plans, plus the prices have increased.

When is this unbundling actually going to make things better like it was supposed to?

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  #191871 24-Jan-2009 21:24
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eXDee: I can't see telstraclear doing this. Cost benefit analysis unless they do a big marketing push on it like slingshot, they don't gain much at all, and loose a lot on what they


Really, my point in this topic is that it won't actually cost them much at all, and it will help them in a number of ways (as outlined in my original post).


eXDee: i'd like them to actually start my new billing cap at MIDNIGHT not 2-3 hours beforehand. Just FYI if anyone from TCL is reading this, the next day doesn't start until after midnight.
Often i've tried to use up my cap for what i've paid for and i check my usage at 11pm only to find its already charging it on the next months usage.
Haven't written to consumers institute about it just yet though.


Yes, this too please TelstraClear!


stevenz: I believe there was a quote from the Telstraclear CEO, or someone fairly high up the foodchain at least which basically amounted to "we're not interested in offering any bigger/faster plans, as why do people need to be able to download porn faster" - anyone got an actual source for this?


I'm pretty sure that wasn't TelstraClear (Telstra, maybe), and it was in reference to FTTH. Don't quote me on that though.

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  #191892 25-Jan-2009 00:51
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Screeb:
eXDee: I can't see telstraclear doing this. Cost benefit analysis unless they do a big marketing push on it like slingshot, they don't gain much at all, and loose a lot on what they


Really, my point in this topic is that it won't actually cost them much at all, and it will help them in a number of ways (as outlined in my original post).

What they would be looking at would be the loss of the data that wouldve been purchsed.
For example, i buy 2x 10gb packs. I use 15gb, it rolls over to the next month. I do this for two months and accumulate 10gb extra.
Then their arugment is i wouldve paid them another $12 for another 10gb, and they have lost out of this possible purchase.

I'd love it if they did it though.

 
 
 

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  #191895 25-Jan-2009 01:53
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eXDee:
Screeb:
eXDee: I can't see telstraclear doing this. Cost benefit analysis unless they do a big marketing push on it like slingshot, they don't gain much at all, and loose a lot on what they


Really, my point in this topic is that it won't actually cost them much at all, and it will help them in a number of ways (as outlined in my original post).

What they would be looking at would be the loss of the data that wouldve been purchsed.
For example, i buy 2x 10gb packs. I use 15gb, it rolls over to the next month. I do this for two months and accumulate 10gb extra.
Then their arugment is i wouldve paid them another $12 for another 10gb, and they have lost out of this possible purchase.

I'd love it if they did it though.


I very much doubt many people buy extra data packs regularly (especially light users who wont be hurting TelstraClear at all from this) , so that doesn't really work. Perhaps they could do it only for the higher end plans (eg 10Mbit +) so that light users would still have to buy data packs as usual if they ever did go over. But as I say, I doubt data packs are purchased regularly much (you might as well upgrade to a plan with more data), so it wouldn't count towards much of their revenue at all.

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  #191914 25-Jan-2009 08:45
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That's all a bit complex and probably going to require billing system changes. I would much prefer a much easier solution to implement - just double all the current caps on the existing plans.




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  #191932 25-Jan-2009 11:02
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  #192698 29-Jan-2009 11:42
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I imagine this would actually cost TelstraClear a large ammount of money - all international bandwidth must be payed for, - if you eventually use that that is going to incur a large cost to TelstraClear when you do use all that left over bandwidth. So they are actually saving a significant ammount off money on the stuff that you don't use.

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  #192755 29-Jan-2009 17:36
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Tuikapo: I imagine this would actually cost TelstraClear a large ammount of money - all international bandwidth must be payed for, - if you eventually use that that is going to incur a large cost to TelstraClear when you do use all that left over bandwidth. So they are actually saving a significant ammount off money on the stuff that you don't use.


One of my points is that you won't neccesarily eventually use all of it. Most people will always have an abundance, especially light users. Even I, a heavy user, would like to keep a big "insurance" amount.

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  #192759 29-Jan-2009 17:59
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On Telstra PDQ ADSL...

I'm sure I'm not the only one who purposely either goes light on the last few days of the month or goes heavy to fit just under the next 10GB block.  I prefer to finish the month on 18GB or 19GB and be charged for 2x 10GB data packs rather than 11GB for obvious reasons (I payed for 8-9GB I didn't use).

Last minute heavy downloading probably affects peak bandwidth usage in a pretty negative manner.

Obviously people who use 11GB and get charged for 2x 10gb packs are helping subsidise the service.  The whole reason most people choose Telstra as their ISP is for a higher quality service.  In peak time I can normally download at near my sync speed no problems (if the server at the other end has the bandwidth to do so) unlike Xnet, Slingshot etc.  So I can definately see why they price their offering this way, however as other ISP bring our more attractive plans (data banking, free offpeak) they will have to make a change at some stage or potentially lose growth and market share.

I think a good compromise would be to price the 5GB blocks at the same $/GB as the 10GB blocks.  So in my above example if I used 11GB I would be charged for 3x5GB packs instead of 2x10GB, a 4GB difference rather than 8-9GB.

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  #192787 29-Jan-2009 20:42
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What are you people doing!!!!!

Don't give Telstra any new ideas..............they can't even implement their current ideas!

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  #192796 29-Jan-2009 21:23
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stevenz: I believe there was a quote from the Telstraclear CEO, or someone fairly high up the foodchain at least which basically amounted to "we're not interested in offering any bigger/faster plans, as why do people need to be able to download porn faster" - anyone got an actual source for this?



source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/telstra-corporation/news/article.cfm?o_id=208&objectid=10530088




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