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#3293738 7-Oct-2024 08:54

Technofreak:
Is this the start of the end of the cellphone.

I believe one issue is Australians are upset that emergency calls may not work on old phones.

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6.13. Emergency calls

You must provide other means for making emergency and 111 calls. These can't be made using the Cloud Phone service in the event of a service outage, power failure or disruption.

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#3293741 7-Oct-2024 09:09

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Technofreak:

Is this the start of the end of the cellphone.

https://www.spark.co.nz/online/large-business-govt/products/connect/business-communications/cloud-phone

Looks more like cloud PBX system to me.

Kind of makes sense now. I only took a very cursory look at the info in the link.

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#3293746 7-Oct-2024 09:23

Technofreak: Too many red flags for me to bother watching the rest of it.

May well be some errors (or omissions) in there. After all, the content is not intended for a super-technical audience.

I would still encourage you to watch the remainder at least. It details how compromised SS7 systems led to the kidnapping of a woman, among other things. I was genuinely startled by how seemingly easy it is to access and manipulate these networks.

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#3293761 7-Oct-2024 10:06

Technofreak:

Is this the start of the end of the cellphone.

https://www.spark.co.nz/online/large-business-govt/products/connect/business-communications/cloud-phone

Has this in the page

Mobile Integration

You can use the native dialler on your mobile to make Cloud Phone calls over the Spark mobile voice network for a premium voice experience.

So clearly no, it is not. If this is a way to be able to put an auto attendant and filtering between the caller and my mobile on a standard mobile number, as well as let me record all calls they might be onto a winner.

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#3293762 7-Oct-2024 10:06

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Technofreak: Too many red flags for me to bother watching the rest of it.

May well be some errors (or omissions) in there. After all, the content is not intended for a super-technical audience.

I would still encourage you to watch the remainder at least. It details how compromised SS7 systems led to the kidnapping of a woman, among other things. I was genuinely startled by how seemingly easy it is to access and manipulate these networks.

Are you talking about the Arab princess where she was taken off the boat she was in mid ocean? I watched till past that point. That bit was probably the final straw for me. That location could be done without hacking into SS7. There was no evidence provided that SS7 was hacked

You're dead right that content wasn't for a technical audience. However it still needs to be correct. There were so many holes in the first bit, there is no way anyone could have any confidence that what was being said about the vulnerabilities of SS7 was actually correct. Based on what I'd seen so far I wasn't going to waste my time on something that was very much looking like a hoax.

You might have been startled whereas someone with technical knowledge of the system might be scratching their head in amazement at the misinformation.

To get the thread back on track, I was using SS7 as an example of an international standard that has been used to ensure interoperability and asking the question why something similar hadn't been used for VoLTE. I wasn't making any claims about whether or not it had vulnerabilities.

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#3293763 7-Oct-2024 10:13

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Technofreak:

Is this the start of the end of the cellphone.

I believe one issue is Australians are upset that emergency calls may not work on old phones.

Cloud Phone Terms

6.13. Emergency calls

You must provide other means for making emergency and 111 calls. These can't be made using the Cloud Phone service in the event of a service outage, power failure or disruption.

The same terms also call outlook an operating system

6.4. Desktop application
To use the Cloud desktop app, you must have a computer with one of the operating systems listed below:

Microsoft Outlook 2007
Microsoft Outlook 2010 (32 and 64-bit)
Microsoft Outlook 2013 (32 and 64-bit)
Microsoft Outlook 2016 (32 and 64-bit)

This is no different to any other PBX system where they cant guarantee it will work in an outage. They are relying on a customers PC, a customers internet connection, a customers internal LAN all to work in an outage. Not gonna happen so of course they will want to have a disclaimer like this on it.

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#3301370 25-Oct-2024 11:38

An update from One NZ in the appropriate thread here: Vodafone 3G phase out.

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#3301679 26-Oct-2024 07:59

Bought a $15 Sharp phone in Japan and Volte works perfectly so it's not being restricted to NZ models only.
Will take it with me to Oz in December and see if it works there

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#3308076 12-Nov-2024 13:08

Australia’s New Firewall IMEI BLOCKED 516,875 Active Phones Overnight + Tourists Phones Blocked

From the uploader:

"The great mobile firewall of Australia officially came into force on the 28th of October 2024.

A reported 516,877 active devices were blocked on Australian networks.

What many thought was simply the result of switching off 3g was actually a government mandated IMEI block on locally and internationally purchased on 4g and 5g devices, including those used by tourists visiting Australia.

While that doesn't directly tell us how many imeis are now network blocked, it would easily be in the millions and includes phones that have never connected to an Australian Network.

Australians have been cut off from vital communication as some phones can no longer call Triple 0.

Unimaginable amounts of e-waste have been created and it has forced people to buy new devices amid a cost of living crisis."

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#3308078 12-Nov-2024 13:12

kingdragonfly: Australia’s New Firewall IMEI BLOCKED 516,875 Active Phones Overnight + Tourists Phones Blocked

From the uploader:

"The great mobile firewall of Australia officially came into force on the 28th of October 2024.

A reported 516,877 active devices were blocked on Australian networks.

What many thought was simply the result of switching off 3g was actually a government mandated IMEI block on locally and internationally purchased on 4g and 5g devices, including those used by tourists visiting Australia.

While that doesn't directly tell us how many imeis are now network blocked, it would easily be in the millions and includes phones that have never connected to an Australian Network.

Australians have been cut off from vital communication as some phones can no longer call Triple 0.

Unimaginable amounts of e-waste have been created and it has forced people to buy new devices amid a cost of living crisis."

Gonna take two exclusive japanese models next month and see if it's bad as it's portrayed to be.

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#3308082 12-Nov-2024 13:15

Between this and the proposed social media block ideas I am thinking that Australia has no clue even more than I thought.

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#3308083 12-Nov-2024 13:17

If I'm reading that correctly, it would mean no roaming unless you purchased an Oz phone to put your own sim card into. Which sounds like an epic level of facepalm.

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#3308087 12-Nov-2024 13:22

I hope they have this nonsense sorted out by the time I visit next year. I would have thought that the roaming agreements they have with other providers would, you know, allow roaming.

Edit: The docs on Spark's site indicate that everything "should" work. My phone (iPhone SE) wasn't purchased in Australia, but it is a model that's sold there.

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#3308088 12-Nov-2024 13:24

geoffwnz:

If I'm reading that correctly, it would mean no roaming unless you purchased an Oz phone to put your own sim card into. Which sounds like an epic level of facepalm.

I am pretty sure this is not the case -- at least for phones that have support from the home networks for VoLTE roaming. But will be interesting to see how this plays out as sometimes government policy intent doesn't translate well to real life.

As NZ may need to implement this here to avoid issues with people unable to call/text 111, watching Australia is a good opportunity to see how we can do it better.

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#3308117 12-Nov-2024 14:18

richms:

Between this and the proposed social media block ideas I am thinking that Australia has no clue even more than I thought.

Don't forget, in Australia they do everything better than elsewhere in the world. Which means inventing their own bespoke solutions that no one else thought necessary.

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