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Topic # 83335 14-May-2011 08:58
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Right, so the regulations have come into play, termination rates are lower, and VOIP calls to mobiles aren't any different from 2talk and WxC.

If anyone was poised, nay expected, to attack the market, it was VOIP companies like these, but there has been nothing from them and I think that until they do, there will be no incentive for the mobile companies to be more competitive with what they do currently.

Why aren't Vodafone, TelstraClear, Telecom running their own VOIP product? They wouldn't be replacing their home copper line products for those customers that still want that, or undercut their own customers by too much, but by putting themselves into the market and offering something, possibly bundling with other services, they are at least not going to lose all their customers to VOIP when they realise they don't need to be paying $40 plus for a copper line.

Do you think that if they launch a product like this, in direct competition with VOIP providers, would we see the avalanche start, and perhaps this is why they haven't gone into this market?




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  Reply # 469004 14-May-2011 09:56
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VoIP is a direct replacement for a copper voice connection, and you probably slightly under estimate the requirements to deliver a carrier grade primary line voice replacement. Delivering a solution that is a true carrier grade PSTN replacement requires slightly more work than just giving customers an ATA to plug into their existing router and a SIP account.

Telecom spent years toying with VoIP and missed required regulatory timeframes last year to start moving residential voice customers away from the PSTN to VoIP.

TelstraClear have a Broadworks platform that they use for their VoIP offering and all their ULL voice is VoIP using PSTN emulation from the ISAM. Moving to RGW's for voice is a totally different game plan.





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  Reply # 469047 14-May-2011 12:38
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I didn't know about TelstraClear :o)

Do you know what the challenges were that Telecom had?

I'm not trying to say it's easy, but in a holistic way, I think of where we are going to be in a FTTH World, I assume there will still be a PSTN, and all the Telco's will have to exact some sort of VOIP to PSTN. So when scoping for a solution, I would have thought that the list of requirements they would have gone to the supermarket with would have included the level of specs you have mentioned.

Thanks for the insight sbiddle,

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  Reply # 469049 14-May-2011 12:53
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mthand: I didn't know about TelstraClear :o)

Do you know what the challenges were that Telecom had?

I'm not trying to say it's easy, but in a holistic way, I think of where we are going to be in a FTTH World, I assume there will still be a PSTN, and all the Telco's will have to exact some sort of VOIP to PSTN. So when scoping for a solution, I would have thought that the list of requirements they would have gone to the supermarket with would have included the level of specs you have mentioned.

Thanks for the insight sbiddle,


Telecom's challenges were many, ranging from Alcatel Lucent as their vendor lacking a voice solution that comes anything close to what Broadsoft can offer, to the major issue being CPE and installation.

Telecom's original plan was to offer NEAX replacement voice services being a mix of PSTN emulation from cabinets and also from the premises using RGW's. RGW based services means the need to offer a fully auto provisioned service, which also needs to be integrated into the home wiring which means truck rolls for installations. You've then got the issue of complying with Government expectations for emergency services calling and questions over who's going to pay for UPS's to provide PLV services when the power is out. Much of the work on the Chorus SDP was to do with Telecom's planned VoIP rollout.

UFB will be interesting, particularly as I expect we'll see a two fold approach with retail services providers delivering voice services from the ONT, and some with their own RGW's.

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  Reply # 469054 14-May-2011 13:15
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It's worth remembering as well that Telecom can't do a 2talk and just deploy a softswitch - their VoIP network is a replacement for their existing NEAX switches which is the core of PSTN network in NZ.

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  Reply # 469071 14-May-2011 14:54
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sbiddle: It's worth remembering as well that Telecom can't do a 2talk and just deploy a softswitch - their VoIP network is a replacement for their existing NEAX switches which is the core of PSTN network in NZ.


That's called the Alcacent softswitch powering XT, for business.

For residential customers, I expect an Alcatel 5800 will be used. Big, dense and hard to customise at OSS/BSS level.




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  Reply # 469074 14-May-2011 14:58
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sbiddle:
mthand: I didn't know about TelstraClear :o)

Do you know what the challenges were that Telecom had?

I'm not trying to say it's easy, but in a holistic way, I think of where we are going to be in a FTTH World, I assume there will still be a PSTN, and all the Telco's will have to exact some sort of VOIP to PSTN. So when scoping for a solution, I would have thought that the list of requirements they would have gone to the supermarket with would have included the level of specs you have mentioned.

Thanks for the insight sbiddle,


Telecom's challenges were many, ranging from Alcatel Lucent as their vendor lacking a voice solution that comes anything close to what Broadsoft can offer, to the major issue being CPE and installation.



Telecom's switching to Broadsoft around July / August this year for a least for their SIP trunk offering....




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  Reply # 469078 14-May-2011 15:19
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old3eyes:
sbiddle:
mthand: I didn't know about TelstraClear :o)

Do you know what the challenges were that Telecom had?

I'm not trying to say it's easy, but in a holistic way, I think of where we are going to be in a FTTH World, I assume there will still be a PSTN, and all the Telco's will have to exact some sort of VOIP to PSTN. So when scoping for a solution, I would have thought that the list of requirements they would have gone to the supermarket with would have included the level of specs you have mentioned.

Thanks for the insight sbiddle,


Telecom's challenges were many, ranging from Alcatel Lucent as their vendor lacking a voice solution that comes anything close to what Broadsoft can offer, to the major issue being CPE and installation.



Telecom's switching to Broadsoft around July / August this year for a least for their SIP trunk offering....


That's a gen-i offering, and it'll be interesting to see whether we see Telecom retail products based on it!

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  Reply # 469090 14-May-2011 16:21
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mthand: Right, so the regulations have come into play, termination rates are lower, and VOIP calls to mobiles aren't any different from 2talk and WxC.



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Hi Don,

We will be adjusting our rates accordingly

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I'll let you know when I hear more.  I've had a number of people ask me the same question now.






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  Reply # 469189 15-May-2011 01:32
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Thanks Don!

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