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#34042 16-May-2009 18:06
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Got a bunch of older desktops that need replacing in a corporate environment. Pretty much all the users do run XP, Office 2003 and IE6. The plan is to upgrade to Windows 7 and Office 2007 and IE8 or FF. That is about the extent of their use.

Thinking rather than buy a ton of new dual core desktops etc. why not get a good Netbook (like the new NB200 from Toshiba) with 1-2G RAM and whatever hard drive they have. HD space isn't an issue since most users would store things on a file share or in a EDMS. I am sure from a performance point of view they will be fine running those apps and even if the users open up a ton of windows, it should be fine.  No OSH issues since all users have external keyboard and LCD monitors anyway.

That way I have a low cost way to provide all users the potential of mobile use without compromising performance for daily work and without having to buy expensive laptops. I would also purchase a few USB optical drives to share amongst the users when they needed them. Most don't need those drives for daily use.

When Win7 comes out, I would look at upgrading the XP to that and skip Vista completely.

I am waiting to get a NB100 (which performance wise isn't much slower than a NB200 if at all) to install Office 2007 on and see how it works but just wondering what GZ members think about this. I think I could get the NB200's for well under $1000 while a HP desktop is probably around $1400.




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#215274 16-May-2009 18:12
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lchiu7: I am waiting to get a NB100 (which performance wise isn't much slower than a NB200 if at all) to install Office 2007 on and see how it works but just wondering what GZ members think about this. I think I could get the NB200's for well under $1000 while a HP desktop is probably around $1400.


First I understand your users have external keyboard and monitor - but even so if you want to give them a mobile option please don't go with NB100 - and if the NB200 is like the NB100 in terms of keyboard, then stay away. It's a terrible keyboard.

Then you shouldn't buy anything now for Windows 7. Most of those small laptops are running Windows XP and getting them to work with Windows Vista is a pain - and may be the same with Windows 7. I am talking in terms of drivers. You will be creating a support nightmare.

Then we have performance. While those small laptops are really great for mobility, I'd go bald really soon if I had to work all the time with those devices. There's no way you can compare those with a good desktop in terms of performance. The HDD are too slow, the Atom CPU won't give you the performance you are used to work on, and your users will be calling you name every time they try opening Microsoft Outlook if they have a local PST file.





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  #215280 16-May-2009 19:35
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Good points

1. We would look at the NB200 but I can't get hold of one for a bit yet - not released here. The NB100 is only to check performance

2. Probably stay with XP until the entire fleet is upgraded to Win7 by which time I would hope drivers are stable

3. We discourage local PST files and I might implement a Group Policy to stop that - only OST for mobile yet. The users can have PST files on the file server which isn't going to cause so much of a problem hope since we GB ethernet to the servers

Thanks for the pointers. Will know better when I get a machine and try it out. I would hope to avoid name calling :-)

The other alternative is offer people the choice I guess - a grunty desktop or a netbook




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  #215282 16-May-2009 19:49
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Then why not nettop [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettop] that uses Atom like Asus EEE Box [http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/en/product/XC4999] or Compaq Presario CQ2100AN [http://www.dse.co.nz/dse.shop/en/product/XC4342]




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  #215290 16-May-2009 20:50
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lchiu7: 3. We discourage local PST files and I might implement a Group Policy to stop that - only OST for mobile yet. The users can have PST files on the file server which isn't going to cause so much of a problem hope since we GB ethernet to the servers


Getting a bit OT but you do realise the implications and problems that can result trying to store PST's on a remote share?

While it's something people do on a daily basis it's a totally unsupported solution in Microsoft's eyes and highly unrecommended.





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  #215299 16-May-2009 21:32
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lchiu7: 2. Probably stay with XP until the entire fleet is upgraded to Win7 by which time I would hope drivers are stable


But what guarantees you have there will ever be drivers anyway? The manufacturer might launch some new models with appropriate drivers and leave users of older models out (not unheard of).



lchiu7: 3. We discourage local PST files and I might implement a Group Policy to stop that - only OST for mobile yet.


Good.

lchiu7: The users can have PST files on the file server


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  #215300 16-May-2009 21:49
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Well not sure what to do yet - this is just exploring at the moment. I would prefer no PST's but if users do insist, then maybe if performance is bad, they can get a regular desktop. Else if they happy with online mail and OST's when they are offline, then the netbook might do the job.




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  #215301 16-May-2009 21:52
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freitasm:
lchiu7: 2. Probably stay with XP until the entire fleet is upgraded to Win7 by which time I would hope drivers are stable


But what guarantees you have there will ever be drivers anyway? The manufacturer might launch some new models with appropriate drivers and leave users of older models out (not unheard of).




From what I have seen the netbooks don't have massively proprietary hardware that is going to cause driver issues. If there are video drivers, sound and a few others it should be fine.




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