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  #1269329 27-Mar-2015 22:39
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anyone remember "Mind Your Language"?



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  #1269396 28-Mar-2015 07:00
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DaveB:
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.................. Almost as much as we miss them (despite being only 10 in 1977). Music was better too.


The sense of humour was certainly better!!

Imagine the horror on the faces of some of the contributors to this thread if they were to watch such comedy classics as Love Thy Neighbor or Till Death Us Do Part. It is a "PC gone mad" world in which we live, dominated by "Elf and Safety and Jam Jars that are too scared to have a Gollywog on them in case they offend the minority of the minority. I'm glad I lived in the 60's and 70's because people of that era had so much more ..... well, personality and humour. We could laugh at ourselves and laugh at the establishment and we never, ever felt that the world owed us anything.

Long live Clarkson, he represents a world in which we can still laugh at ourselves.


He was not "laughing at ourselves" he was denigrating others. There is a big difference. He has lost his job after several warnings and finally serious misconduct. He would have been dismissed from most jobs.

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  #1269442 28-Mar-2015 10:35
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KiwiNZ:
DaveB:
Geektastic: 

.................. Almost as much as we miss them (despite being only 10 in 1977). Music was better too.


The sense of humour was certainly better!!

Imagine the horror on the faces of some of the contributors to this thread if they were to watch such comedy classics as Love Thy Neighbor or Till Death Us Do Part. It is a "PC gone mad" world in which we live, dominated by "Elf and Safety and Jam Jars that are too scared to have a Gollywog on them in case they offend the minority of the minority. I'm glad I lived in the 60's and 70's because people of that era had so much more ..... well, personality and humour. We could laugh at ourselves and laugh at the establishment and we never, ever felt that the world owed us anything.

Long live Clarkson, he represents a world in which we can still laugh at ourselves.


He was not "laughing at ourselves" he was denigrating others. There is a big difference. He has lost his job after several warnings and finally serious misconduct. He would have been dismissed from most jobs.


And that I think Mike is the difference between ourselves. I see humour, you don't and there is nothing wrong with that.

As for a job? I think you will find he is talented enough to know that he has more than just a "Job". He is a business, big business, as demonstrated by the sheer number of books he has written and available in all the main UK retailers, along with all the other paraphernalia attached to his name. I'm quite sure that his departure from the Beeb will enable him to continue with bigger and better things. 



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  #1272598 28-Mar-2015 21:47
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DaveB:
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.................. Almost as much as we miss them (despite being only 10 in 1977). Music was better too.


The sense of humour was certainly better!!

Imagine the horror on the faces of some of the contributors to this thread if they were to watch such comedy classics as Love Thy Neighbor or Till Death Us Do Part. It is a "PC gone mad" world in which we live, dominated by "Elf and Safety and Jam Jars that are too scared to have a Gollywog on them in case they offend the minority of the minority. I'm glad I lived in the 60's and 70's because people of that era had so much more ..... well, personality and humour. We could laugh at ourselves and laugh at the establishment and we never, ever felt that the world owed us anything.

Long live Clarkson, he represents a world in which we can still laugh at ourselves.



Couldn't agree more. I used to collect Robertson's gollies until that became a Thought Crime.

Imagine someone creating Mr Humphries today and the cries of faux offence we would hear.





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  #1272600 28-Mar-2015 22:00
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DaveB:
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.................. Almost as much as we miss them (despite being only 10 in 1977). Music was better too.


The sense of humour was certainly better!!

Imagine the horror on the faces of some of the contributors to this thread if they were to watch such comedy classics as Love Thy Neighbor or Till Death Us Do Part. It is a "PC gone mad" world in which we live, dominated by "Elf and Safety and Jam Jars that are too scared to have a Gollywog on them in case they offend the minority of the minority. I'm glad I lived in the 60's and 70's because people of that era had so much more ..... well, personality and humour. We could laugh at ourselves and laugh at the establishment and we never, ever felt that the world owed us anything.

Long live Clarkson, he represents a world in which we can still laugh at ourselves.



Couldn't agree more. I used to collect Robertson's gollies until that became a Thought Crime.

Imagine someone creating Mr Humphries today and the cries of faux offence we would hear.


Off topic but Robertson Gollies and any variation there of is racist... period.

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  #1272612 28-Mar-2015 22:41
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Regardless of what you think of JC, I suspect that when the dust settles he isn't actually the loser here.

He has already made a lot of money - and reports in the UK media are that other TV networks are already bidding to get him to do a motoring show, and that he may have been offered 10 million pounds to sign. Presumably May and Hammond would go with him as part of a package deal. They will probably wind up on network that gives them a lot more freedom to say things than the cloyingly-PC BBC, and will make a lot more money in the process.

The losers here look to be:

 

  • The BBC, which will have to refund a lot of network purchasers of the episodes that won't be made, will lose a 50 million pound ($NZ 100m+) per anum revenue stream, and will have paid a lot of money to purchase the IP and branding associated with the show (ironically from a company that I understand JC part owned) only to discover that it now isn't worth nearly what they thought.
  • The other staff on the show (many of whom presumably lose their jobs if TG now fails to be as commercially successful and is finally cancelled), and the hundreds of other staff at the BBC who will presumably get the chop when the BBC restructures to try and cut costs to deal with a 50 million quid a year revenue shortfall.
  • The UK public (including the Guardianistas who so loudly called for his head) - as a fair amount of other programming was underwritten by the profitability of selling TG internationally, and presumably will now have to be axed.
  • The fans of TG, of which I am one, who will lose a show they liked - even if the BBC trys to keep it going with an insipid facsimile under the same branding.
Which is something that I those who were banging the drum so loudly for his dismissal at least thought through.

(Personally, given TG's international popularity, I think it would be a stroke of absolute marketing genius for Netflix to snap the trio up with a juicy offer to make a new motoring show).

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  #1272616 28-Mar-2015 23:04
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BBC has no choice.

They have defended him all these years, copping all the media and public abuse for his entertainment of you guys.

Then the BBC instead of sacking him to bow to public outrage the last time, instead gave him a "final warning".

Then your dinosaur got drunk and sacked himself.

How is the BBC to blame?

 
 
 

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  #1272624 28-Mar-2015 23:12
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joker97: anyone remember "Mind Your Language"?


Remember? It's an essential part of my UK comedy collection!

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  #1272626 28-Mar-2015 23:16
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JimmyH: 
The losers here look to be:

 

  • The BBC
I absolutely agree. They're fools. Most people watching Top Gear didn't do so in spite of Jeremy Clarkson.

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  #1272627 28-Mar-2015 23:20
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joker97: BBC has no choice.

They have defended him all these years, copping all the media and public abuse for his entertainment of you guys.

Then the BBC instead of sacking him to bow to public outrage the last time, instead gave him a "final warning".

Then your dinosaur got drunk and sacked himself.

How is the BBC to blame?


What would have happened if they didn't. They could have taken other types of action. I am not sure if some of the problems in the past were just with him, as the licence plate, and the eeny meeny miny mo issues would have had to be approved by the programs producers before they occurred and aired.

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  #1272651 29-Mar-2015 00:25
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no penalty for licence plate. BBC supported them.

final warning was for the N word. it wasn't broadcast by the producers. The Mirror leaked the private clip.

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  #1272679 29-Mar-2015 08:19
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JimmyH: Regardless of what you think of JC, I suspect that when the dust settles he isn't actually the loser here.

He has already made a lot of money - and reports in the UK media are that other TV networks are already bidding to get him to do a motoring show, and that he may have been offered 10 million pounds to sign. Presumably May and Hammond would go with him as part of a package deal. They will probably wind up on network that gives them a lot more freedom to say things than the cloyingly-PC BBC, and will make a lot more money in the process.

The losers here look to be:

 

  • The BBC, which will have to refund a lot of network purchasers of the episodes that won't be made, will lose a 50 million pound ($NZ 100m+) per anum revenue stream, and will have paid a lot of money to purchase the IP and branding associated with the show (ironically from a company that I understand JC part owned) only to discover that it now isn't worth nearly what they thought.
  • The other staff on the show (many of whom presumably lose their jobs if TG now fails to be as commercially successful and is finally cancelled), and the hundreds of other staff at the BBC who will presumably get the chop when the BBC restructures to try and cut costs to deal with a 50 million quid a year revenue shortfall.
  • The UK public (including the Guardianistas who so loudly called for his head) - as a fair amount of other programming was underwritten by the profitability of selling TG internationally, and presumably will now have to be axed.
  • The fans of TG, of which I am one, who will lose a show they liked - even if the BBC trys to keep it going with an insipid facsimile under the same branding.
Which is something that I those who were banging the drum so loudly for his dismissal at least thought through.

(Personally, given TG's international popularity, I think it would be a stroke of absolute marketing genius for Netflix to snap the trio up with a juicy offer to make a new motoring show).


So what you are saying is that we forget about the illegal behaviour of assault and the many discriminatory comments he has made, such as the N word, about disabled people, etc, an focus on the money? If thats the case we may as well throw away the legal system and morality, and focus on money and fame in our first world lifestyle.

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  #1272686 29-Mar-2015 08:40
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He didn't actually say the N word. It was just an incomprehensible mumble.

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  #1272695 29-Mar-2015 08:55
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Ah that explains why BBC was able to not sack him that time. I wonder why he begged for forgiveness if it wasn't for the N word.

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  #1272725 29-Mar-2015 09:46
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The use of a racist term in the Bridge Special in Burma clear and obvious and disgraceful

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