Maoris beating their kids. What the hell happened!

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rphenix

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#431708 27-Jan-2011 09:37

gzt:
It was also my impression that kids who were physically disciplined at home tended to be more violent at school - most of these came from the middle type homes and farms of the time, so poverty was not a big factor.

Really, I can remember at primary school the very first ever child to be expelled in the schools history was a child who's parents didn't believe in smacking him (pretty unusual back in those days). Ironic since he was more than happy to take to other kids with hockey sticks etc... I used to think a good smack or two from his parents was just what he needed.

SepticSceptic

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#431795 27-Jan-2011 13:01

Nokia2012: I think the title of this topic is very offensive. I am Maori

why do you find it very offensive ? Is it a case of the title appearing that ONLY Maori beat their kids ?

MMead

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#432508 29-Jan-2011 06:27

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MMead

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#432509 29-Jan-2011 06:27

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LookingUp

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#433196 31-Jan-2011 13:42

And some contrary evidence to provide balance just in case ...

http://www.newsmax.com/US/spanking-studies-children-spock/2010/01/07/id/345669

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NonprayingMantis

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#433248 31-Jan-2011 15:26

LookingUp: And some contrary evidence to provide balance just in case ...

http://www.newsmax.com/US/spanking-studies-children-spock/2010/01/07/id/345669

and for even more balance, the source of the primary study they quote in the article is Calvin College - a highly conservative right wing christian 'university'. The results of any study produced by them should be considered in light of that. i.e. likely to be conducted with extreme bias towards promoting biblical teachings e.g. Proverbs 13:24 the verse that encourages parents to beat their children.

and the article also says:

"Since Sweden, dozens of countries have banned parental corporal punishment, like Germany, Italy, and in 2007 New Zealand, where using force to correct children entails full criminal penalties, and where a mother cannot even legally take her child’s hand to bring him where he refuses to go."

which is completely untrue and further demonstrates the huge bias of the author.

LookingUp

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#433329 31-Jan-2011 17:41

OK, so right wing christians aren't entitled to an opinion, and obviously can't do science. The point I was trying to make is that this is not a single sided or simple arguement, as the following link points out.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/98/4/824

IMHO, drawing conclusions from direct statistics that indicate that those that were smacked often grew up to have problems is fraught. Could one not also get from this that those that "had issues" when they were young were more LIKELY to get smacked, and also more likely to grow up to have issues?

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NonprayingMantis

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#433604 1-Feb-2011 11:04

LookingUp: OK, so right wing christians aren't entitled to an opinion, and obviously can't do science. The point I was trying to make is that this is not a single sided or simple arguement, as the following link points out.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/98/4/824

IMHO, drawing conclusions from direct statistics that indicate that those that were smacked often grew up to have problems is fraught. Could one not also get from this that those that "had issues" when they were young were more LIKELY to get smacked, and also more likely to grow up to have issues?

It’s not that they *can’t* do science. It’s that they *don’t* do science.

Starting with a conclusion (the conclusion being that your study will agree with the biblical view) is not science.

Oh look, wow. What a surprise, my study shows exactly the result I want. Smacking children is great, homosexuality is bad, abortion is bad, etc etc.

It’s the same reason why when a study is sponsored by the tobacco lobby and finds that tobacco is not addictive, we should take it with a very large pinch of salt

Everyone is free to have an opinion, but if that opinion is based on what bronze age goat herders thought should be the law, rather than actual real verifiable science, then that opinion holds no weight.

LookingUp

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#433626 1-Feb-2011 12:03

You'll get no arguement from me on THAT score, which is really my point - it's pretty much possible to find "evidence" to support any point of view if you look hard enough.

I work in science (real science) and see the pressure on scientists to get funding for their work. Often the best way to do this is to pick a controversial subject, or to find an angle to attack an established point of view. Finding evidence, however tenuous, is a means to gain kudos and maintain funding. This is not necessarily bad, as challenging established "fact" is a good thing, but it can provide a biased view on the "fact" - a "mud sticks" kind of thing.

The important thing in this is that we remain objective and open to new (and old) ideas, and that we moderate them with our own personal experience, realising that others may have had different experiences that result in different perspectives.

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