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#2226358 27-Apr-2019 15:06

alasta:
The exact nature of the content is going to depend on who the target audience is for this service.

Will it be intellectuals who are mourning the loss of long form journalism on free-to-air platforms? Will it be professionals who perhaps would otherwise pay for business news via NBR or Newsroom Pro?

Not likely
They will already be subscribing to a quality publication, possibly NBR or Newsroom Pro or overseas.
They certainly won't be looking for quality journalism on an Auckland Herald website

alasta:
The exact nature of the content is going to depend on who the target audience is for this service.

Will it be the baby boomers who listen to NZME radio stations and presumably have a lot of disposable income?

Are any of the well-off old fogies who listen to NZME radio stations really going to go online for their news and pay for it?
I suspect they are in the ever-shrinking minority who buy the dead-trees edition, probably delivered to their villa in the Bling Trees Retirement Village.

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#2226451 27-Apr-2019 16:58

Some commentary on the paywall:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/26-04-2019/the-nz-herald-is-about-to-put-up-a-paywall-and-the-stakes-are-scarily-high/

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#2227884 30-Apr-2019 11:38

so paywall is up with display:none CSS for the content.

is that it? or that's done for the gimmick that most of the content on nzherald would be behind paywall in the future?

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#2227887 30-Apr-2019 11:42

I wonder if NZH will be a candidate for the most signficant drop in traffic for a NZ website in 2019?

Pretty much everything is marked Premium, even the stuff that I wouldn't consider "premium" at all :)

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#2227931 30-Apr-2019 12:31

The more I think about it, good on the Herald. Hopefully, others will follow suit.

People have come to expect news for free, but openly complain about the quality of news items. You can't have it both ways and digital advertising for free news is not bringing in sufficient revenue to pay for quality journalism.

The risk is that as more legitimate news outlets move to paywall, will the majority of the public simply fall back on Facebook's dismal news feed to get their daily fix? If so, it's a very dim outlook for the future.

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#2227938 30-Apr-2019 12:42

Lucky some of it is still free:

Avengers fan hospitalised for 'uncontrollable sobbing'

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#2227939 30-Apr-2019 12:47

quickymart:
Some commentary on the paywall:

https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/26-04-2019/the-nz-herald-is-about-to-put-up-a-paywall-and-the-stakes-are-scarily-high/

Another good one here:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/04/30/559293/hark-the-herald-paywall

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#2227950 30-Apr-2019 13:30

DarthKermit:
Lucky some of it is still free:

Avengers fan hospitalised for 'uncontrollable sobbing'

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#2227990 30-Apr-2019 14:49

I still have a hacker's fascination with locked doors. Because the paywall technology comes from the Washington Post, it is pretty easy to get around for those who want to check out the content before plunking down their cash. No, I won't say how. Most people here will already know or can easily work it out for themselves. I can view the content from my regional subscription anyway. I just wanted to see how good the protection was, and it isn't very.

Apart from that, my first impression is that it might actually be worth the money, depending on the needs and interests of the subscriber. It is certainly a lot better than their usual front page crap.

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#2227997 30-Apr-2019 15:01

Rikkitic:

I still have a hacker's fascination with locked doors. Because the paywall technology comes from the Washington Post, it is pretty easy to get around for those who want to check out the content before plunking down their cash. No, I won't say how. Most people here will already know or can easily work it out for themselves. I can view the content from my regional subscription anyway. I just wanted to see how good the protection was, and it isn't very.

Apart from that, my first impression is that it might actually be worth the money, depending on the needs and interests of the subscriber. It is certainly a lot better than their usual front page crap.

I think your post may breach the FUG.

the post contains instructions for sharing mechanisms that impact revenue streams of content providers;

But thanks :)

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#2228001 30-Apr-2019 15:07

I don't think there is anything that tells people how to do it?

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#2228016 30-Apr-2019 15:20

I don't think there is either. Otherwise I certainly wouldn't have posted it. I am only saying the protection isn't all that good and those who know how can get around it. That applies to a lot of sites.

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#2228018 30-Apr-2019 15:26

dafman: The more I think about it, good on the Herald. Hopefully, others will follow suit. People have come to expect news for free, but openly complain about the quality of news items. You can't have it both ways and digital advertising for free news is not bringing in sufficient revenue to pay for quality journalism. The risk is that as more legitimate news outlets move to paywall, will the majority of the public simply fall back on Facebook's dismal news feed to get their daily fix? If so, it's a very dim outlook for the future.

We do already pay for news reporting in our taxes, and that is provided by RNZ. So all I can see this doing is pushing more people towards that, for what is going on in the world and NZ. IMO a lack of accessible news is bad for democracy, and already many important things going on in NZ, are not published, as it doesn't get clicks. Before the online world, when we had newspapers, many people also read news for free, as there were newspapers everywhere that people could read for free. So many people have never paid for news, and much of it has always been ad supported as well.

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#2228024 30-Apr-2019 15:35

mattwnz:
dafman: The more I think about it, good on the Herald. Hopefully, others will follow suit. People have come to expect news for free, but openly complain about the quality of news items. You can't have it both ways and digital advertising for free news is not bringing in sufficient revenue to pay for quality journalism. The risk is that as more legitimate news outlets move to paywall, will the majority of the public simply fall back on Facebook's dismal news feed to get their daily fix? If so, it's a very dim outlook for the future.

We do already pay for news reporting in our taxes, and that is provided by RNZ. So all I can see this doing is pushing more people towards that, for what is going on in the world and NZ. IMO a lack of accessible news is bad for democracy, and already many important things going on in NZ, are not published, as it doesn't get clicks. Before the online world, when we had newspapers, many people also read news for free, as there were newspapers everywhere that people could read for free. So many people have never paid for news, and much of it has always been ad supported as well.

Before the online world, (quality) newspapers weren't free - in addition to adverts, the newspaper had a subscription cost. So someone purchased them before sharing them with others to read for free.

And interesting point re RNZ news. Yes, it is one news outlet that is adequately funded and, as a consequence, it's news quality is currently streets ahead of both Stuff and NZ Herald (personal opinion, of course).

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#2228028 30-Apr-2019 15:41

dafman:
mattwnz:

dafman: The more I think about it, good on the Herald. Hopefully, others will follow suit. People have come to expect news for free, but openly complain about the quality of news items. You can't have it both ways and digital advertising for free news is not bringing in sufficient revenue to pay for quality journalism. The risk is that as more legitimate news outlets move to paywall, will the majority of the public simply fall back on Facebook's dismal news feed to get their daily fix? If so, it's a very dim outlook for the future.

We do already pay for news reporting in our taxes, and that is provided by RNZ. So all I can see this doing is pushing more people towards that, for what is going on in the world and NZ. IMO a lack of accessible news is bad for democracy, and already many important things going on in NZ, are not published, as it doesn't get clicks. Before the online world, when we had newspapers, many people also read news for free, as there were newspapers everywhere that people could read for free. So many people have never paid for news, and much of it has always been ad supported as well.

Before the online world, (quality) newspapers weren't free - in addition to adverts, the newspaper had a subscription cost. So someone purchased them before sharing them with others to read for free. And interesting point re RNZ news. Yes, it is one news outlet that is adequately funded and, as a consequence, it's news quality is currently streets ahead of both Stuff and NZ Herald (personal opinion, of course).

Someone did pay for one, but that could be shared, but a lot of the cost of each paper was still paid for by adverts. eg Work or schools often buy a few and all the staff then read during breaks. Or you find them on trains when commuting or libraries . There were also a lot of free papers back then which were 100% paid for by advertising. Some still exist but not as many.The difference with a online subscription is that it is restricted to the person who is able to login the account. I do wonder if libraries will have online access, or will stick to paper ones.

What I do wonder though, is if the two big players do both go paywall, where google and apple news will get their NZ stories from. Or if they will just link through to the paywall pages. At least we do have a government that is putting more money into RNZ, so we should be looked after in terms of news for those who don't want to, or afford to pay. Plus we do have TV and radio news still.

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