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#3117506 18-Aug-2023 11:22

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And here I was thinking "Accella" (and another CRM-type software called Accelo) should be pronounced like Italian CC (sounds like Ch before E and I).

Obviously if it comes from English "Accelerate" then it's not the same. But every time I see "CC" in a made-up word I think Italian...

I've had that problem sometimes with abbreviations that I read as Russian, when there's just the right combination of letters in there in an order that makes sense in Cyrillic but no sense in English and you think, wait, why would a law firm have a Russian name?

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#3117510 18-Aug-2023 11:30

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Political machinations aside, I don't think borne female competitors in sports like swimming, powerlifting, athletics and so on objecting to borne males competing with them and using their showers is bollocks, is it?

I don't know about sportsing but was present in a conversation at a conference among a few born women where the conference had a large number of trans women present. The conversation went along the lines of "there's quite a few trans women here aren't there?" and "do you think so-and-so is trans? Naaah, she can't be". No-one ever commented on trans women using female toilets, seems a pretty bizarre thing to obsess over. What about gay women? Bi? Bi-curious? What's the cutoff point for being upset about it?

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#3117518 18-Aug-2023 11:49

neb:... What's the cutoff point for being upset about it?

Possession of male genitalia

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#3117519 18-Aug-2023 11:49

Handsomedan:
The biological women competing are probably that much smarter (and more able to multitask) than the men, that the authorities are terrified that the male-dominated sport will become dominated by female chess masters.

Best response I've seen in another forum:

Men and [presumably referring to pre-op] trans women have two organs for thinking, while women only one. That's a clear advantage.

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#3117520 18-Aug-2023 11:53

shk292:

neb:... What's the cutoff point for being upset about it?

Possession of male genitalia

In other words, if there's been a cutoff, there seems to be less of a perceived issue

For sports, it seems the muscle mass, skeletal structure are the problem - so once a male has been through puberty, the advantage in physical sports is there to stay

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#3117535 18-Aug-2023 12:17

shk292:

For sports, it seems the muscle mass, skeletal structure are the problem - so once a male has been through puberty, the advantage in physical sports is there to stay

These are all just arbitrary limits. Overall, males do have these advantages but there is also overlap. There are some women who are bigger and stronger than the average man, though most are not. Is it fair to allow such women to compete against other women? There are basketball players (like Brittney Griner) who are twice as tall as the opposition. Why are they allowed to compete?

Wrestlers are categorised by weight. Something similar should be done for other athletes and just disregard all the chromosomal/genital/hormonal nonsense.

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#3117538 18-Aug-2023 12:19

shk292:
For sports, it seems the muscle mass, skeletal structure are the problem - so once a male has been through puberty, the advantage in physical sports is there to stay

It's a lot more complicated than that because you have a huge range of physique types among both men and women, and also a wide range of male/female hormone levels. For a somewhat extreme example of this google "Tina Lockwood" (NSFW, photos are usually bikini shots), she's a born woman who's bigger than the majority of men.

It's something that needs to be discussed by medical and ethics specialists in an evidence-based manner, not, as Linus Torvalds once famously put it, "people wanking around with their opinions", because it is a really, really hard problem to address once you get past the simple-minded black-and-white trans/not trans distinction and have to come up with functional technical guidelines.

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#3117545 18-Aug-2023 12:40

Rikkitic:

These are all just arbitrary limits. Overall, males do have these advantages but there is also overlap. There are some women who are bigger and stronger than the average man, though most are not.

Yup - some are just naturally built that way

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Good lord - AI couldn't even generate a proper smile...

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Handsome Dan needs to stop adding three dots to every sentence...

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#3117552 18-Aug-2023 12:56

Rikkitic:... chromosomal/genital/hormonal nonsense.

And so the reduction to absurdity is complete! All biological science reduced to "nonsense" in favour of self-perception

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#3117553 18-Aug-2023 12:57

Handsomedan:

Yup - some are just naturally built that way

Good lord - AI couldn't even generate a proper smile...

Aaarghhh! I can never unsee that!

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#3117556 18-Aug-2023 13:00

shk292:

Rikkitic:... chromosomal/genital/hormonal nonsense.

And so the reduction to absurdity is complete! All biological science reduced to "nonsense" in favour of self-perception

How so 'self-perception'? I'm talking about objective measurements, like strength, size, weight and so forth. You can't get much more biological than that!

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#3117602 18-Aug-2023 13:06

Rikkitic:

These are all just arbitrary limits. Overall, males do have these advantages but there is also overlap. There are some women who are bigger and stronger than the average man, though most are not. Is it fair to allow such women to compete against other women? There are basketball players (like Brittney Griner) who are twice as tall as the opposition. Why are they allowed to compete?

Sure, there are overlaps - you'd expect some sort of normal distribution of weight/height/muscle mass whatever. But saying that the distributions overlap is a very poor reason to pretend they don't matter.

We either expect there are significant differences between sexes (not genders) when it comes to competitive sport, and that sexes need to compete separately for fairness and safety. Or we pretend that there aren't, and get rid of separate competitions for the sexes. But having separate competitions and then allowing people to cross between them based on their own (arguably wrong) self-perception is nonsensical.

Perhaps having a more clear differentiation between sex (biological) and gender (perceived/preferred), and basing sport purely on the former would help?

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#3117691 18-Aug-2023 16:27

shk292:

I can't understand the need for a separate women's chess competition. There are very good reasons to exclude biological males (regardless of their perceived gender) from women's physical sports. But the chess one makes less sense

I think it's because in 1927, when the WWCC was set up, women were at a social disadvantage, spending a fair amount of their time having and then caring for children, and therefore not having the opportunity to play chess as frequently as men. Probably also in those days, women were considered intellectually inferior to men. Also, chess being a warlike game, boys were encouraged to play but girls were not.

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#3117696 18-Aug-2023 16:38

Rikkitic:

Wrestlers are categorised by weight. Something similar should be done for other athletes and just disregard all the chromosomal/genital/hormonal nonsense.

Perhaps something similar to Paralympics, where athletes are categorised according to their missing limbs or other disabilities? So a post-puberty trans woman would be in a different category from trans women who changed pre-puberty.

For team sports, something polo's handicapping... each player is worth a certain number of goals, and the better team has to make up the goal difference. So each post-puberty trans woman in a soccer team would mean that her team had to score an extra goal.

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#3118241 20-Aug-2023 15:07

Rikkitic:
Aaarghhh! I can never unsee that!

I know, I mean, purple shoes? It's a crime against fashion!

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