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#633352 31-May-2012 13:15

It's a good thing. It is also good for good drivers becuase they will be able to tell who are the less competent drivers and give them a bit of leeway. But I suspect we could end up with quite a high proportion of cars with R plates on them, as I too way on my restricted for many years, as at the time there wasn't that much of an advantage upgrading as you had to pay a fee..

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#633353 31-May-2012 13:17

to the people who are saying it's good , ok then, let's have them on full license drivers too. "F" plates.

then every car onthe road in NZ will have a stupid plate on their front and back window

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#633359 31-May-2012 13:25

miamiheatfan: to the people who are saying it's good , ok then, let's have them on full license drivers too. "F" plates.

then every car onthe road in NZ will have a stupid plate on their front and back window

Nope - that's going too far.. although perhaps a bright LED display with the current number of demerits of the driver :-)

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#633364 31-May-2012 13:27

miamiheatfan: to the people who are saying it's good , ok then, let's have them on full license drivers too. "F" plates.

then every car onthe road in NZ will have a stupid plate on their front and back window

Doesn't worry me. A vehicle is a utility not a luxury. It's also a privilege not a right.

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#633366 31-May-2012 13:33

Cant believe this thread, its a good thing? How? Getting an R plate isnt going to do anything, the people who have been on their Restricted for 10 years will remain on them particularly after its passed as a rule and new R platers start out.

As it is, L Plates dont help, everyone leaves L plates in their car when their sons/daughters are learning when the driver is clearly not a L plater so its a stupid system already I dont pay "plates" any attention at all. I'm too busy looking at the traffic, identifying hazards, looking at the direction of your wheel to see if it is contrary to what you might be indicating in other words too busy staying alive.

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#633368 31-May-2012 13:33

I can't understand this thread. It's a great idea! having L and R plates means that other drivers will provide you with additional understanding and courtesy on the road. FAR FAR too many R drivers think they are fully qualified and experienced which they aren't. People are over entitled when it comes to driving (and MANY other things), and need an attitude adjustment.

They shouldn't allow people to have a L or R license for more than twice the mandatory wait times I don't think.

Defensive Driving and Skid Control Courses should be MANDATORY before getting a full license.

We are some of the worst drivers in the WORLD, it's horrible. We lack common courtesy and sense.

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#633374 31-May-2012 13:35

miamiheatfan: to the people who are saying it's good? , ok then, let's have them on full license drivers too.?? "F" plates.

then every car onthe road in NZ will have a stupid plate on their front and back window

But why would you, as a full license is when you are fully competent, so you don't need any plates. That is one of it's benefits. People without plates , you would the be able to assume that they have a full license under this scheme. I actually think the L plate should be on any car that isn't a full license, which is what I believe they do overseas. I do think they could extend it to plates for elderly (80+) who may have some visual and slower reactions, such as an E plate. I do know some elderly are not good drivers , as their reaction times are slower. I had an elderly woman drive straight through a roundabout without giving way the other day, and almost caused an accident. There was talk about restricting some elderly to only driving on local roads with a speed limit of 50. They do already test elderly drivers more which is a good thing.

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#633384 31-May-2012 13:40

Lurch: R plates are a great idea. Most kiwi drivers are pretty bad, for an example speeding. Nobody appears to understand speed limit signs among many other things.

Just a note to those that tailgate people doing the speed limit, 1) you look like a knob 2) I'm not going to increase my speed 3) If I have to throw my breaks on because of a hazard...

seriously are you that petty that you wouldnt take 2 seconds just to pull over and let people get on with there life, lifes to short and there are to many nutters out there to piss someone off by being in the right.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#633385 31-May-2012 13:40

rphenix: Cant believe this thread, its a good thing? How? Getting an R plate isnt going to do anything, the people who have been on their Restricted for 10 years will remain on them particularly after its passed as a rule and new R platers start out.

As it is, L Plates dont help, everyone leaves L plates in their car when their sons/daughters are learning when the driver is clearly not a L plater so its a stupid system already I dont pay "plates" any attention at all. I'm too busy looking at the traffic, identifying hazards, looking at the direction of your wheel to see if it is contrary to what you might be indicating in other words too busy staying alive.

I see them because a car with an L plate as a potential hazard, especially as many may not have insurance. I keep my distance from them. Often they don't indicate or can stop without notice, but you have to give them some leeway as they are learners. Otherwse I may report them for bad/dangerous driving.

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#633388 31-May-2012 13:42

rphenix: Cant believe this thread, its a good thing? How? Getting an R plate isnt going to do anything, the people who have been on their Restricted for 10 years will remain on them particularly after its passed as a rule and new R platers start out.

As it is, L Plates dont help, everyone leaves L plates in their car when their sons/daughters are learning when the driver is clearly not a L plater so its a stupid system already I dont pay "plates" any attention at all. I'm too busy looking at the traffic, identifying hazards, looking at the direction of your wheel to see if it is contrary to what you might be indicating in other words too busy staying alive.

L plates are an indication of a potential hazzard so you SHOULD be paying attention to them, it's the whole POINT!

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#633392 31-May-2012 13:44

I don't have an issue with the 'R' plate idea.
I don't think it is necessarily for other drivers to look at, more as a deterrent/incentive to be doing the right thing.
If you have 'R' plates on your car, you would be a fool to drive outside of your allowed hours/restrictions as it just says to a cop 'Stop me!'. Likewise if you are on a restricted and don't have the plates and get pulled over, you will get the punishment for not having the plates.

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#633423 31-May-2012 14:10

mattwnz: But why would you, as a full license is when you are fully competent, so you don't need any plates. That is one of it's benefits. People without plates , you would the be able to assume that they have a full license under this scheme.

There are so many people driving without any licence that you can't assume anything.

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#633441 31-May-2012 14:30

Bung:
mattwnz: But why would you, as a full license is when you are fully competent, so you don't need any plates. That is one of it's benefits. People without plates , you would the be able to assume that they have a full license under this scheme.

There are so many people driving without any licence that you can't assume anything.

Yes, but sticking a F plate wouldn't stop that from happening either, as anyone can buy a plate. That's what the police are paid for to police drivers on the road, eg check licenses at checkpoints. Although I do know they are under resourced, so I don't blame them. However I have yet to be asked for my license ever at a checkpoint, or any other time. The otherway to do it is to have peoples licenses displayed on the car for all to see, or face recognition cameras on the road to photograph drivers and cars.

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#633449 31-May-2012 14:36

Personally I think people should be on "L" plates until they have a full license by passing the written and practical exams to prove you kind of know what you are doing.
I'm from UK which uses the above method, it kind of works but does have a drawback in that on L plates you are not allowed on motorways ... but as soon as you pass you are allowed, but have no experience of them which is a bit dicey :-)

I'm also of the view that insurance should be compulsory, but I think that'll just be yet another argument :-)

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#633453 31-May-2012 14:39

Mark: Personally I think people should be on "L" plates until they have a full license by passing the written and practical exams to prove you kind of know what you are doing.
I'm from UK which uses the above method, it kind of works but does have a drawback in that on L plates you are not allowed on motorways ... but as soon as you pass you are allowed, but have no experience of them which is a bit dicey :-)

I'm also of the view that insurance should be compulsory, but I think that'll just be yet another argument :-)

At least 3rd party insurance should be. It seems to be the insurance companies that are against it, more than people when you hear it discussed. Insurance should be part of the cost of owning a car, like petrol.

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