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#901466 23-Sep-2013 20:39

Between youtube subscriptions to things I am actually interested in, hulu plus and media from "auntie" I seldom watch TV.

Infact it really annoys me that the TV assumes I want to watch broadcast stuff when I turn it on, and I have to enter the smart hub player myself with its really long boot time. Seems it totally powers the smart stuff down when you turn it off.

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#901502 23-Sep-2013 21:22

Behodar:
DarthKermit: If I record a typical hour long show, once I've edited all the ads out, it's usually 45-48 minutes long.

That seems to be normal in the US too; stuff from iTunes tends to be 44-48 minutes.

In Holland the rules are pretty extreme, a commercial block can be as long as up to 8 minutes and may occur as frequently as every 5 minutes.
However, they know that people will storm off and start doing other things if commercials are on for that long, so they vary the length to 1 or 2 minutes randomly so that when you are away your program would have started again and you loose out lol

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#901509 23-Sep-2013 21:33

dclegg:
qyiet:
Geektastic: Yes but so far in rural NZ....
My old man uses his laptop+adsl for streaming 50km from Hamilton. The specs you list in your signature should be well and truly good enough for something like Netflix.

Good point. I have slightly slower specs than that normally, and NetFlix works pretty well here. We get the occasional buffering and degradation of picture quality (still always watchable though), but it generally works well.

ADSL isn't the problem. Crap backhaul and geoblocking are the problems.

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#901512 23-Sep-2013 21:35

richms: Between youtube subscriptions to things I am actually interested in, hulu plus and media from "auntie" I seldom watch TV.

Infact it really annoys me that the TV assumes I want to watch broadcast stuff when I turn it on, and I have to enter the smart hub player myself with its really long boot time. Seems it totally powers the smart stuff down when you turn it off.

We don't even have an antenna here. Well, we used to have Sky, but I once hooked up a satellite Freeview decoder to it and it could only see the scrambled Sky channels. So effectively, no antenna at all.

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#901584 23-Sep-2013 23:54

Behodar:
DarthKermit: If I record a typical hour long show, once I've edited all the ads out, it's usually 45-48 minutes long.

That seems to be normal in the US too; stuff from iTunes tends to be 44-48 minutes.

The average US hour long TV show episode on a DVD is 40 minutes long, including the opening and closing credits. That means when shown on TV there's 20 minutes to be filled with advertising. UK hour long TV shows go to about 45 to 50 minutes.

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SaltyNZ:
ADSL isn't the problem. Crap backhaul and geoblocking are the problems.

Yeah, I know there are likely other factors at play. Although I do know others that seem to have a more seamless NetFlix experience than we're having, so naturally attention turns to our local infrastructure.

The point I'm trying to make is that even with all these issues it's possible to consume NetFlix successfully in New Zealand now. Its not 100% perfect, but its good enough.

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#901641 24-Sep-2013 08:32

I haven't watched broadcast TV in ten years. We don't even have a TV aerial. Everything comes in over the net.

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#901703 24-Sep-2013 09:51

AidanS:
surfisup1000:
AidanS:
Geektastic: As long as I am on ADSL copper with data caps, SKY will be assured of my custom!

Agreed :(

-Aidan.

I think we'll find that TV streams are unmetered in future.

Also, the thing I don't like about online streaming is that you are constantly having to choose what to watch. The TV experience where everything is programmed and you can channel flick is quiet nice sometimes.

The part that will stop me from being 100% online for my TV needs is my download speed (not due to get fibre until ~2019). Also I agree, sometimes it's nice to just watch "what's on" instead of actively choosing a program.

-Aidan.

At least you are due to get it! Our address is listed for both UFB and RBI as "Outside area of planned coverage" despite being a whole 2km from Martinborough town square!

Annoying because in the square, 2000 meters away, they have VDSL!

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#901706 24-Sep-2013 09:54

Geektastic: At least you are due to get it! Our address is listed for both UFB and RBI as "Outside area of planned coverage" despite being a whole 2km from Martinborough town square!

Annoying because in the square, 2000 meters away, they have VDSL!

Them's the breaks for living somewhere pretty rural, though there should be options available. At least you have wine...

Can you set up a point to point wireless connection with someone in town?

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#901707 24-Sep-2013 09:55

I have to say that one thing I really miss here is the BBC.

Numerous channels with no ads. Oh - and quality programs.

Thank heavens for BBC World at least; proper grown up news for people who know that there is more in the world than rugby and cats up trees in Dunedin....

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#901719 24-Sep-2013 10:15

Geektastic,

Are you willing to pay a broadcasting fee? And if you are how much as to produce the same quality as the BBC with a population 20 times less will mean a massively high fee.

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#901721 24-Sep-2013 10:16

SaltyNZ:
dclegg:
qyiet:
Geektastic: Yes but so far in rural NZ....
My old man uses his laptop+adsl for streaming 50km from Hamilton. The specs you list in your signature should be well and truly good enough for something like Netflix.

Good point. I have slightly slower specs than that normally, and NetFlix works pretty well here. We get the occasional buffering and degradation of picture quality (still always watchable though), but it generally works well.

ADSL isn't the problem. Crap backhaul and geoblocking are the problems.

+1.
While I'm still waiting for my fibre connection, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to benefit at all.
I can already stream Netflix and Vudu perfectly using ADSL2+

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#901723 24-Sep-2013 10:20

Geektastic:
At least you are due to get it! Our address is listed for both UFB and RBI as "Outside area of planned coverage" despite being a whole 2km from Martinborough town square!

Annoying because in the square, 2000 meters away, they have VDSL!

I'm 500m outside the Warkworth boundary. I get ADSL1 off an old DSLAM - basically full speed, since I'm only ~1800m from it - which in non-peak times gets me about 6.5Mb/0.7Mb. In peak times I have measured it drop to as low as 0.05/0.02. Complaints to Chorus via Telecom to please upgrade their backhaul fell on deaf ears. I regularly imagine using the word mother truckers in my emails to them, but I know it won't help.

In 2016 we are scheduled to receive RBI 5Mb, at which time I will be afforded the (probably mandatory) opportunity to pay more money for a lower speed, lower data cap service than the one I currently have.

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#901728 24-Sep-2013 10:24

Jas777: Geektastic,

Are you willing to pay a broadcasting fee? And if you are how much as to produce the same quality as the BBC with a population 20 times less will mean a massively high fee.

You are paying a broadcasting fee. It's just that in most civilised countries it comes out of general revenue rather than being split out as an explicit tax.

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#901742 24-Sep-2013 10:34

SaltyNZ:
Jas777: Geektastic,

Are you willing to pay a broadcasting fee? And if you are how much as to produce the same quality as the BBC with a population 20 times less will mean a massively high fee.

You are paying a broadcasting fee. It's just that in most civilised countries it comes out of general revenue rather than being split out as an explicit tax.

It's not quite the same thing though. TVNZ, for example, is a profit making enterprise. it doesn't receive government funding directly.

The only government funding really is for NZ OnAir, which is pitiful amount compared to what the BBC gets, even allowing for population and GDP difference.

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