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#1824801 18-Jul-2017 21:47

MikeB4:

I was going to respond to you but you have shown time and time and time again that you are incapable of discussing anything with common courtesy.

It's pretty obvious who amongst the two of us knows what he's talking about. I could play a game of essentially demolishing your argument to pieces whilst pretending to be "nice" but it's frankly insincere and offensive to the intelligence of other people reading it. Difficult subjects often require, amongst other things: (1) actual understanding of the issues, (2) relevant professional training, (3) actual experience of doing the type of work involved, and (4) a degree of judgement honed by a mixture of the previous. You may somehow have all of these things but I honestly couldn't find any in the bland, highly assertive one-liner that you posted. And taken literally or even when given a great deal of generous reading, it's still wrong.

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#1824809 18-Jul-2017 22:04

Coil:

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MikeB4:

With anything like this the Police will need to manage the disciplinary action and dismissal correctly to avoid come back. It is a time consuming process with a lot of gotchas along the way.

While most reasonable people would agree this is true, I think this particular time frame is unreasonable. The cost to the tax payer is absurd, and 2.5 years to resolve is way-way too long (understatement).

You would probably find a person employed by the private or corporate sector would have been dismissed instantly or paid out their "gardening leave" and left at that. That the police let this happen for 2.5 years makes you think they are on his side.
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#1824811 18-Jul-2017 22:05

Geektastic:

My biggest concern would be this:

"When police analysed Buis' phone, they found he had communicated with colleagues over an app during which he voiced his hatred for Pryde."

So, a number of other police service staff knew something was odd and presumably they brought that to the attention of someone senior? Seriously, if you are a policeman and one of your colleagues starts discussing how much he hates a member of the public, that surely has to ring alarm bells somewhere.

Like I said, a boys club.

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#1824843 18-Jul-2017 22:35

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

My biggest concern would be this:

"When police analysed Buis' phone, they found he had communicated with colleagues over an app during which he voiced his hatred for Pryde."

So, a number of other police service staff knew something was odd and presumably they brought that to the attention of someone senior? Seriously, if you are a policeman and one of your colleagues starts discussing how much he hates a member of the public, that surely has to ring alarm bells somewhere.

Like I said, a boys club.

A friend of mine calls them The Blue Gang!

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#1825038 19-Jul-2017 11:24

Geektastic:

tdgeek:

Geektastic:

My biggest concern would be this:

"When police analysed Buis' phone, they found he had communicated with colleagues over an app during which he voiced his hatred for Pryde."

So, a number of other police service staff knew something was odd and presumably they brought that to the attention of someone senior? Seriously, if you are a policeman and one of your colleagues starts discussing how much he hates a member of the public, that surely has to ring alarm bells somewhere.

Like I said, a boys club.

A friend of mine calls them The Blue Gang!

I call them Blue Power...

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#1825040 19-Jul-2017 11:29

MikeB4:

I was going to respond to you but you have shown time and time and time again that you are incapable of discussing anything with common courtesy.

I like the fact he doesn't suffer fools or pussyfoot about.

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#1825047 19-Jul-2017 11:35

Coil:

I got respect for the police as people, Not as a force.

So goes the joke...

My brother-in-law, a cop, knowing my liking of him despite my obvious contempt for his profession, was curious to know if should I see him being beaten up by someone in the course of his duties, whether I would help. MY reply...

"No. You'd probably recognise me".

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#1825065 19-Jul-2017 11:58

LOL! Hope he took it the right way!

It's a great shame that I find myself holding the po-po in contempt because of a few of them, along with the management of the so-called traffic safety group.

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#1825172 19-Jul-2017 13:33

cadman:

Coil:

I got respect for the police as people, Not as a force.

So goes the joke...

My brother-in-law, a cop, knowing my liking of him despite my obvious contempt for his profession, was curious to know if should I see him being beaten up by someone in the course of his duties, whether I would help. MY reply...

"No. You'd probably recognise me".

Hahaha, I suspect your referring to assisting the offender :P

We had a neighbor as a cop as a kid and father helped them out of trouble once before with horses. Seemed to gain immunity and got a lot of "Don't do it again"

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#1825499 19-Jul-2017 20:42

As someone who's done a number of years as a prosecutor and worked for the judiciary (I've deliberately set aside my comparatively limited experience as a defence lawyer here), I can't say I am particularly impressed by our police as an institution. When it comes to things like not deliberately using excessive force, outright lying or worse (like American cops), ours are doing acceptably. But I can't say that on average I found the average "beat cop" to be particularly intelligent, well educated or having particularly advanced levels of reasoning and problem-solving skills. These are traits typically expected of members of recognised professions to which senior cops and the laughable police union endlessly compare themselves to.

And I noticed a very pronounced and obonxious culture amongst especially older male officers (who usually entered the force young and have limited formal education) where in many instances, be it under legitimate cross-examination by defence lawyers or during case reviews by prosecutors where any kind of challenge to their recall of facts, interpretation of events, and/or actual or perceived notion of the interlocutor being "on the other side" was met with pointless argumentativeness (at best) to outright hostility. Having to stand up multiple times as a prosecutor and admit to a judge that the hostility by my witness on the stand was uncalled for is not an experience that I care to repeat.

But as a rule, I did find that the younger and (especially) female police officers to have vastly superior policing skills and, more importantly, a far stronger appreciation of the personal qualities required to be good cops.

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#1825525 19-Jul-2017 21:25

dejadeadnz:

But I can't say that on average I found the average "beat cop" to be particularly intelligent, well educated or having particularly advanced levels of reasoning and problem-solving skills.

But you wouldn't exactly gravitate toward that role if you did have those traits though. It would be immensely difficult and mentally taxing on any thinking person dealing with the sort of belligerent people they have to on a fairly regular basis. It's no wonder so many act like unthinking robots - it's probably a coping mechanism.

I remember standing with a friend's wife making a complaint to some central Auckland beat cops about a large gathering of people blocking a narrow inner city road and not letting her vehicle through (50m away), to the point of them thinking it would be amusing to rock the car, and then being asked by one of the cops sarcastically "What would you like us to do about it?". "Ummm. How about your job - you know - protecting people and property? Keeping the peace?" was her reply which was met with a blank stare. Then they disengaged and rushed off to enforce the liquor ban on some guy carrying a bottle of that Draft Cola. More geniuses just marking time until the next NASA intake.

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#1825531 19-Jul-2017 21:31

Coil:

Hahaha, I suspect your referring to assisting the offender :P

It's one of the situation where your decision is somewhat conflicted. The fact he would be in uniform would tip the balance...

Coil:

We had a neighbor as a cop as a kid and father helped them out of trouble once before with horses. Seemed to gain immunity and got a lot of "Don't do it again"

There used to be a lot of that anyway. A boot up the arse or stern telling off backed up with some actual reasoning rather than just regurgitating "It's against the law" was often all that was needed from the authorities. Now, not so much - and that newer approach clearly isn't working in the modern environment - unless perhaps you're looking to become a Corrections Officer.

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#1825678 20-Jul-2017 09:36

dejadeadnz:

But I can't say that on average I found the average "beat cop" to be particularly intelligent, well educated or having particularly advanced levels of reasoning and problem-solving skills.

The old canard used to be "There's no IQ test to join the Police". I guess that's still true?

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#1825736 20-Jul-2017 10:20

As always these stories bring out the armchair critics and the ill informed who prefer to be swayed by rhetoric and isolated opinions of the few. If you think the job is easy or you can do better please feel free to sign up and demonstrate...just give me some notice so I can grab some chips and a drink and get comfortable to watch the rose tinted glasses get knocked off. This situation sucks no doubt and the Police/courts have dropped the ball. This is balanced of course by the basic human right we all enjoy, that being to be considered innocent until proven guilty. Should an innocent man be punished by being sacked from his job? If there is enough evidence to show that he is likely guilty the sure, but either way a hard balancing act from an employment perspective to avoid a challenge. By and large the Police are normally harder on their own, they may not always get it right however and this is a case in point.

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#1825746 20-Jul-2017 10:37

Coil:

We had a neighbor as a cop as a kid and father helped them out of trouble once before with horses. Seemed to gain immunity and got a lot of "Don't do it again"

A good friend of ours, has a close friend who is a cop. We know this cop and his wife pretty well, but we ourselves are not really good friends with cop. We do see each other around, and greet each other when we do etc..

Anyway, a few years ago my wife did a rolling stop, at a stop street. Apparently she assumed it was a yield. Cop pulled her over, and when he got to the window his reaction was "oh its you". Its the only time my wife has ever been pulled over by a cop. Long story short, she got off with a lecture. It does pay to have a few cop mates I suppose.

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