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  #2721256 9-Jun-2021 15:06
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Fred99:

I've used a Mazzer Mini for 10 years.  AFAIK the only design change since the 1960s is that you've been able to get them in a couple of colours other than silver or black.
Still on original burrs. (probably due for replacement based on kg of coffee that's been ground, but it's still working perfectly, so I won't bother until it doesn't - note to never buy replacement burrs on line "cheap" - they will be fakes).  It's a vastly over-engineered mass of metal with an underworked motor running so slow that the grind remains constant whether you're making one cup or ten (the burrs and motor etc don't get hot), comes with a lifetime warranty for commercial use, contains no electronic wizardry, and seems to be the standard for use in cafes (they mainly use larger Mazzers, but they'll often have a mini on the bench to use for decaf or single origin, special blends etc).  I very seldom need to change the grind setting, but if a tweak is needed, then usually get it spot on with one tweak.  Maybe that's just familiarity after using it so long, maybe more that when I started making home espresso I used to read forums where people claimed that everything from small humidity changes or time of day or age of beans made big differences.  I think it's partly because some of their fancy electronic grinders really aren't as good as they're made out to be.


Good points mentioned above.  Bad points - they're kind of slow, maybe 20 seconds to grind a double shot, they have a doser which needs cleaning out (upside to a doser is that thwacking the grounds breaks up clumping), and that without electronics, servos etc, it would be inconvenient to use where the grind had to be adjusted to suit different brew methods, ie if you needed to change from espresso to french press, or if you wanted to change settings frequently to use different beans, you'd probably have to mark the adjuster ring with a felt pen or something unless you've got a very good memory.



Thanks. The size of the mazzer and the doser put me off. 95% of the time I'm making a coffee just for me so a doser is totally unnecessary. Neither are a deal breaker but also neither are particularly appealing.



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  #2721267 9-Jun-2021 15:34
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Handle9:

 

I expect this to be my last espresso machine unless I move to a country which is 110v.

 

 

Coffee machine and grinder are expensive upfront, but I'm aiming for around 10 years service out of my grinder and Rocket before servicing.

 

Looking at our 10-year costs

 

Rocket $2,500

 

Grinder $1,000

 

Coffee beans $25 per week on average for 10 years = $13,000

 

Total cost = $16,500

 

2 people, 2 coffees (double shots) a day on average = 14,560 coffees over 10 years

 

Cost per double shot = $1.13

 

Of course our actual mileage will vary (servicing may be required sooner, cleaning solutions etc not included) but considering George Clooney's marketing triumph (because it sure ain't quality) is around $0.90 per single shot capsule, it averages out to pretty good value in the long run.

 

Plus way better for the environment!

 

 


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  #2721268 9-Jun-2021 15:38
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I'm curious why he says importing them is s bad idea? Seems like FUD to be honest.

I'm not in NZ anyway so will either source locally here or buy from Europe.

 

I imported my Rocket from Europe, saved about $1600 from NZ retail.  Apart from coming with a UK plug and Aus/NZ adapter in the box, exactly the same as the machines sold here.  One potential gotcha was that they didn't lube the shaft/knob on the steam and water wands, not sure why (mess in transit - or maybe they just forgot?) but was being reported by others, the circlip washer would eventually cut through the brass plunger, the knob would fall off and you needed a new valve.  Easily avoided with some silicone grease - a 5 minute job.  Aus agents shilling on Coffeesnobs were going postal about people importing machines.  "But we set them up", "they don't meet Aus electrical regs" "we won't service them" blah blah  - Total FUD.   The pressurestat and pump pressure were set up perfectly on mine (neither have needed even slight adjustment 10 years down the track).  I lubed the knobs, cut the plug off and put a NZ one on.  If a local service agent got antsy, I'd probably just tell them it was a wedding gift from my wife's Godfather in Palermo. (not actually true - so I'd probably just go somewhere else and write a scathing but honest review). As for "warranty" they only offer a year or two anyway, the chance of something expensive going wrong is pretty slim.  In NZ, refusing to do work on an owner imported machine is akin to a Toyota franchise workshop creating a fuss or refusing to work on an import. 

 

As it is, I've never needed to take it for service, and probably never will.  DIY replaced boiler element, the LED light on the front panel, descaled once, replace group seals etc.  No problem getting parts off the shelf in a 20 minute round trip from the local agent, could save a few bucks buying online, but hardly worth the bother. 




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  #2721269 9-Jun-2021 15:39
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Handle9:


I expect this to be my last espresso machine unless I move to a country which is 110v.



Coffee machine and grinder are expensive upfront, but I'm aiming for around 10 years service out of my grinder and Rocket before servicing.


Looking at our 10-year costs


Rocket $2,500


Grinder $1,000


Coffee beans $25 per week on average for 10 years = $13,000


Total cost = $16,500


2 people, 2 coffees (double shots) a day on average = 14,560 coffees over 10 years


Cost per double shot = $1.13


Of course our actual mileage will vary (servicing may be required sooner, cleaning solutions etc not included) but considering George Clooney's marketing triumph (because it sure ain't quality) is around $0.90 per single shot capsule, it averages out to pretty good value in the long run.


Plus way better for the environment!


 



I like coffee. I like making coffee. I'm willing and able to spend money on things I enjoy.

When I bought my current setup it was what I could justify at the time. Now I'm ready to buy what I'd really like to have.

For me it's about that simple.

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  #2721279 9-Jun-2021 16:03
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dafman:

 

Coffee machine and grinder are expensive upfront, but I'm aiming for around 10 years service out of my grinder and Rocket before servicing.

 

 

You will need to do some servicing well within 10 years.  

 

Most of it is DIY-able.  Main grouphead seal best replaced annually ($8?) if you leave it until it leaks, the rubber is usually so perished it's a mission to get the remains out intact and clean out the channel where it sits.  Seals in the lever shaft started leaking in mine after about 5-6 years, replaced all the seals while I was in there, can't remember but maybe $50.  Take the mushroom nut off and check for scale, I'd do that first to have a look after 12 months, if it's clean then don't bother looking again for several years.  I did descale mine once, not a huge job but you've got to take the top off and carefully disconnect the water level probe wire to fill the boiler and try to not spill your descaling acid into the guts of the machine / clean any spillage up immediately.  Pull the mains plug or the on-off switch on the front as soon as it's full - don't try to push the connector back on, apart from being fiddly, there's 230v too close to your fingers. Alternatively, you could fill it manually by removing the anti-vac valve and filling the boiler manually. The water is soft enough here so that scale isn't a problem.  When I replaced a blown boiler element, the inside of the boiler was good/clean.  Also replaced the seal on the anti-vac valve on the boiler -I think the cost was $0.00, you probably don't need to replace the valve - just the seal - they unscrew - the local parts supplier didn't think it was worth ringing up on the till.  

 

10 years down the track I need to replace the valve plungers etc in the group, they're a little bit graunchy - and I expect will be quite worn.  I think parts will cost about $80.  Unless you have an online supplier who'll guarantee they'll send the exact parts, take the old parts in with you when you go to pick up the new parts.  Not all e61s have the same parts inside, the shafts etc can be different lengths.

 

If you don't DIY, then the machines should be serviced regularly by pros.

 

FWIW, my machine is on a smart plug.  Powers on at 6:30, off at 1pm weekdays, 5pm weekends.  Used about 40 kw/h in May. 


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  #2721282 9-Jun-2021 16:10
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sen8or:

 

Don't have any experience with the grinders, but for a machine, have you considered Expobar?

 

We have the Minore4 at work, dual boiler with PID on the brew boiler and its about the same money as the Profitec Pro500. Ive used the Pro500 in a demo situation, was very quiet for a vib pump (I think they isolate the pump from the body of the machine reducing vibration) and produced a good brew, steaming wise though the Expobar has more oomph. In our office environment, the machine is about 2 years old now and hasn't missed a beat, we go through about 1.5kg of coffee a week (15 or so coffees a day). Wholelattelove have done quite a few videos comparing the main players in the dual boiler (Profitec / ECM Synchronika, Rocket & Expobar) and whilst design goes to the others, the Expobar holds its own for whats in the cup.

 

Ive not seen that Lelit, but even locally thats a good price for a dual boiler, looks nice too

 

 

I'm not down that rabbit hole yet. I'm not married to any one machine - yet :)


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  #2721291 9-Jun-2021 16:34
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Handle9: 

 

I'm curious why he says importing them is s bad idea? Seems like FUD to be honest.

 

My guess is the CGA coverage or his experience dealing with other European appliance companies. CGA not relevant for you thou.





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  #2725389 11-Jun-2021 15:51
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I pulled the trigger on the Eureka Mignon Specialita yesterday morning. It's ETA is tomorrow so hopefully I'll be pulling some shots with coffee from it tomorrow sometime.


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  #2727760 12-Jun-2021 19:46
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So it arrived today. The step up in grind quality from the Breville really does carry over into the cup. Once I dialled it in it's making very very tasty shots.

 

Dialling in was a bit of a pain, you have no real reference with the stepless adjustment but now it's set up I'm happy.

 

The touch screen and timer are very good as well. I've setup for an 18gm dose which grinds in 9 seconds and the machine really is very quiet, specially compared to the old Breville jet engine.

 

I'm a happy camper and highly caffinated.


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Handle9:

 

So it arrived today. The step up in grind quality from the Breville really does carry over into the cup. Once I dialled it in it's making very very tasty shots.

 

Dialling in was a bit of a pain, you have no real reference with the stepless adjustment but now it's set up I'm happy.

 

The touch screen and timer are very good as well. I've setup for an 18gm dose which grinds in 9 seconds and the machine really is very quiet, specially compared to the old Breville jet engine.

 

I'm a happy camper and highly caffinated.

 

 

Glad you are happy, it's a great little grinder. Interesting, I have mine set to 15.1 secs to grind 20gm, but there will be differences in coffee, machine, plus mine has the slightly smaller burrs as well.

 

I like the look of your scales, what the brand? Where'd your purchase?


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dafman:

 

Handle9:

 

So it arrived today. The step up in grind quality from the Breville really does carry over into the cup. Once I dialled it in it's making very very tasty shots.

 

Dialling in was a bit of a pain, you have no real reference with the stepless adjustment but now it's set up I'm happy.

 

The touch screen and timer are very good as well. I've setup for an 18gm dose which grinds in 9 seconds and the machine really is very quiet, specially compared to the old Breville jet engine.

 

I'm a happy camper and highly caffinated.

 

 

Glad you are happy, it's a great little grinder. Interesting, I have mine set to 15.1 secs to grind 20gm, but there will be differences in coffee, machine, plus mine has the slightly smaller burrs as well.

 

I like the look of your scales, what the brand? Where'd your purchase?

 

 

 

 

It's just an Amazon cheapy.

 

https://www.amazon.ae/gp/product/B07S974RYD

 

 


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Snap

 

Great grinder according to my wife. I don’t drink coffee ☺️


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