But there are spiders, big, huge, enormous spiders

quickymart:

 

I remember reading an article in the late 1990s at some point where apparently over 600 people (or families?) were leaving NZ for Australia every week, and the then-National government weren't doing a whole lot about it. ...

 

Flash back:

During the 1980s, Prime Minister Rob Muldoon was asked about the increasing exodus of New Zealanders leaving the country to work in Australia.

His comment was that by doing so, they were raising the average IQ of both countries.  😶

Sideface:

 

quickymart:

 

I remember reading an article in the late 1990s at some point where apparently over 600 people (or families?) were leaving NZ for Australia every week, and the then-National government weren't doing a whole lot about it. ...

 

 

Flash back:

 

During the 1980s, Prime Minister Rob Muldoon was asked about the increasing exodus of New Zealanders leaving the country to work in Australia.

His comment was that by doing so, they were raising the average IQ of both countries.  😶

 

Yes, classic quote, along which his slurred quote after calling an snap election.

It seems to be a cycle that occurs every decade or so, possibly when things in NZ get really bad for younger people. But I think this could be big one.  

The only reason I’m still here is COVID. Literally had a job lined up and everything in Melbourne pre COVID. I know a lot of people my age (20 something) who feel NZ is just about impossible, and for lack of a better term ‘really going down the drain’. 

Cruddy wages, astronomical house prices, high cost of living. Beyond nice scenery, mostly ok people, and no killer animals it’s hard to see the attraction in staying. Historically been a great country to live in and raise a family, but can you confidently say that will remain true over the next 30 years?

antonknee:

 

 Historically been a great country to live in and raise a family, but can you confidently say that will remain true over the next 30 years?

 

Speaking from personal experience, NZ has been a pretty hard place to raise a family in the past 20 years (especially if you put the kids first and try to do it one income)

Fully agree with your sentiments - offshore looks to me a much better bet for most young kiwis.

Hmm...

I guess if you wanna grow your career, get more opportunities, earn more money or like big metropolis, Australia is the place for you. For sure.

But if you enjoy the "slow motion" lifestyle, New Zealand is the place for you.

It's alright to want to move to another country... I've done it myself.. Exploring is great, even though NZ and AU are quite similar in many aspects.

antonknee:

 

The only reason I’m still here is COVID. Literally had a job lined up and everything in Melbourne pre COVID. I know a lot of people my age (20 something) who feel NZ is just about impossible, and for lack of a better term ‘really going down the drain’. 

Cruddy wages, astronomical house prices, high cost of living. Beyond nice scenery, mostly ok people, and no killer animals it’s hard to see the attraction in staying. Historically been a great country to live in and raise a family, but can you confidently say that will remain true over the next 30 years?

 

Well the Kiwi Dream, of the quarter acre section  is over unless you live in a small town, but even houses in small towns can now be the best part of a million. Many need a lot of money spending on them, as kiwis seem to be poor at home maintenance.

An exodus would reduce house demand here? If there was a brain drain and Govts here and businesses prefer a low wage economy, on the surface, an exodus is probably ok.

antonknee:

 

The only reason I’m still here is COVID. Literally had a job lined up and everything in Melbourne pre COVID. I know a lot of people my age (20 something) who feel NZ is just about impossible, and for lack of a better term ‘really going down the drain’. 

Cruddy wages, astronomical house prices, high cost of living. Beyond nice scenery, mostly ok people, and no killer animals it’s hard to see the attraction in staying. Historically been a great country to live in and raise a family, but can you confidently say that will remain true over the next 30 years?

 

I've got many friends in Aus with kids now in their 20s to early 30s. Number of them who own a house or apartment = 0.

Most (probably all IIRC) of them have got large student loans to repay, the well paid jobs on offer are all in major centres, they don't want to live in sprawling outer suburbs of Sydney/Melbourne or in some sleepy sh*t-town with a nice climate when the main attractions are an RSL club with parking for 1000 mobility scooters and a 10 metre high sculpture of a painted fibreglass piece of fruit on the side of the main road in, and a social scene where everybody falls down drunk around the BBQ while the local radio station plays Kevin Bloody Wilson on repeat.

The grass may seem greener, reality may not quite meet expectations. 

MikeB4:

 

But there are spiders, big, huge, enormous spiders

 

Not to mention, so so many Australians :)

Excellent news. More room for the rest of us.

networkn:

 

MikeB4:

 

But there are spiders, big, huge, enormous spiders

 

 

Not to mention, so so many Australians :)

 

 

 

Typical Australians?

https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs%40.nsf/mediareleasesbyCatalogue/5E54C95D3D5020C6CA2580FE0013A809?OpenDocument

Between their failure to control COVID and an openly corrupt government rife with sexism and rape Australia is not a place I want to be honestly.

Scott Morrison is making Trump look great in comparison. Seriously. 

I'll take a country that (despite its many flaws) at least holds itself to some account. 

Edit: I'll add Australia has literally the worlds worst approach to climate change.
And their media have such an iron grip and embedded with the government you cannot believe a damn single word you read or hear.