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  #2789459 4-Oct-2021 22:58
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Must be getting pretty hard to justify having water use restrictions in Auckland when dams are 87% full, and heaps of extra capacity has now come online.

 

 

 

Jase2985:

 

Given that the Waitaks have been full for a while now, could we not be using more water from them as they seem to fill faster to help the hunuas recover?

 

and with the hunua's could water not be transferred or used from the full ones?

 

How hard would it be to make extra reservoirs in the hunua's or waitaks?

 

 

 

 

"Our current water sources
At the moment, with Auckland still recovering from 2020's severe drought, we are minimising production at our Ardmore Water Treatment Plant, which treats water from our four Hūnua dams, and maximising production at our Waikato water treatment plants, where we treat water from the Waikato River. This eases the pressure on our Hūnua dams, allowing them to fill up as much as possible when it rains."

 

https://www.watercare.co.nz/Water-and-wastewater/Water-supply-situation

 

 

 

There are capacity limits to treatment plants, so there is a point where you are maxing out all you can in this regard. 

 

I think a lot of the pipes in from the dams are gravity fed, so only run one way. And there may be environmental concerns about mixing the water. Anyway in the Hunua's, the only full dam is the tiny Hays Creak one. All the big four dam's in the  Hunua's are in the 79 - 87% range, so aren't too unbalanced.

 

 

 

In terms of more storage capacity, as a whole Auckland has a lot of Dam capacity. Currently at 87% or 83GL. Daily consumption target at the moment is 420ML, so 197 days even with zero inflows (or using the waikato / springs). Clearly heaps to buffer seasonal demand, and even a dry year (but we start freaking out if we have two in a row).

 

What Auckland needs is more inflows. In short, the long term plan for Auckland water is to just take more and more from the waikato. Luckly that river even at periods of flow has a near infinite amount of water compared to Auckland needs. Since the drought issues, watercare scrambled and brought online some sources (A spring and a previously decommissioned dam) that would not have been economic in the long term plan, but could be spun up quickly.

 

Since restrictions were put in place in May 2020 we have:

 

  • Completed the Pukekohe East reservoir, a key project enabling our Waikato Water Treatment Plant to treat up to 175 million litres a day (MLD)
  • Completed the Waikato 50 plant in record time, taking our peak production from the Waikato River to 225 million litres a day
  • Built a new Pukekohe Water Treatment Plant, which treats up to 5MLD
  • Built the first stage of our Papakura Water Treatment Plant, which treats up to 6MLD
  • Upgraded our Onehunga Water Treatment Plant, boosting treatment capacity by 4MLD
  • Carried out acoustic leak detection on more than 5,500 kilometres of our water network to find and fix invisible leaks. This has saved an estimated 9MLD.



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  #2797044 18-Oct-2021 12:51
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Well, the dams are now above the average level for this time usually, which is awesome news, with more rain forecast!

 

I am surprised somewhat by the fact restrictions haven't been fully lifted now, so they must feel that without the water coming from the Waikato River and the continued restrictions, we would be going backward at an unacceptable level? 

 

 

 

 


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  #2797097 18-Oct-2021 14:07
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The Councillors have to meet with this on the Agenda to agree to the changes. I suspect, given what I've read on Twitter from some of hte Cllrs, that they will look to remove or significantly reduce the restrictions.




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  #2797110 18-Oct-2021 14:18
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A friend of mine ran for Auckland Mayor a few years ago and he said that they can never turn off the pumps from the the Waikato river as the mud / silt will settle and can clog the pipe and damage the impeller.

 

 

 

There is no need for there to be any water restrictions at the moment, but I still think that new builds should have 10 - 25000 liters of storm water storage, even if it is used to just flush the loo there is not the need to have chlorinated & fluoridated water go to the poo ponds.

 

Yes there would need to be a small electric pump and you could have a bypass should you run out of tank water.

 

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  #2797118 18-Oct-2021 14:41
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SATTV:

 

A friend of mine ran for Auckland Mayor a few years ago and he said that they can never turn off the pumps from the the Waikato river as the mud / silt will settle and can clog the pipe and damage the impeller.

 

 

 

There is no need for there to be any water restrictions at the moment, but I still think that new builds should have 10 - 25000 liters of storm water storage, even if it is used to just flush the loo there is not the need to have chlorinated & fluoridated water go to the poo ponds.

 

Yes there would need to be a small electric pump and you could have a bypass should you run out of tank water.

 

John

 

 

 

 

 

 

We submitted this to our council as part of the district plan update when submissions were called. So all new houses being built must install a 10,000L underground tank for watering gardens and  toilets. Some developments around NZ do require this.   The council  however weren't interested, despite having water shortages and restrictions each year, and a rapidly growing towns. Councils just don't seem to want to be proactive in NZ.


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  #2797119 18-Oct-2021 14:42
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SATTV:

 

A friend of mine ran for Auckland Mayor a few years ago and he said that they can never turn off the pumps from the the Waikato river as the mud / silt will settle and can clog the pipe and damage the impeller.

 

 

 

There is no need for there to be any water restrictions at the moment, but I still think that new builds should have 10 - 25000 liters of storm water storage, even if it is used to just flush the loo there is not the need to have chlorinated & fluoridated water go to the poo ponds.

 

Yes there would need to be a small electric pump and you could have a bypass should you run out of tank water.

 

John

 

 

 

 

New builds are virtually all townhouses now so pretty difficult for water storage... 25,000L is a BIG tank. Almost more than your average subdivided townhouse plot size :p

 

I have a 3000L tank and it runs low in the summer... Use washing machine water and shower water to water plants.





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  #2797123 18-Oct-2021 14:48
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Zeon:

 

SATTV:

 

A friend of mine ran for Auckland Mayor a few years ago and he said that they can never turn off the pumps from the the Waikato river as the mud / silt will settle and can clog the pipe and damage the impeller.

 

 

 

There is no need for there to be any water restrictions at the moment, but I still think that new builds should have 10 - 25000 liters of storm water storage, even if it is used to just flush the loo there is not the need to have chlorinated & fluoridated water go to the poo ponds.

 

Yes there would need to be a small electric pump and you could have a bypass should you run out of tank water.

 

John

 

 

 

 

New builds are virtually all townhouses now so pretty difficult for water storage... 25,000L is a BIG tank. Almost more than your average subdivided townhouse plot size :p

 

I have a 3000L tank and it runs low in the summer... Use washing machine water and shower water to water plants.

 

 

 

 

You can get concrete 10,000 litre underground tanks which can fit into the setbacks of properties. They are only about 3m in diameter. You can have a lawn over the top etc.


 
 
 

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  #2797154 18-Oct-2021 15:29
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mattwnz:

 

 

 

You can get concrete 10,000 litre underground tanks which can fit into the setbacks of properties. They are only about 3m in diameter. You can have a lawn over the top etc.

 

 

The problem with smaller water storage tanks is they run out when you need them and have plenty of water when you don't need them.  The only thing they are really useful for is surge tanks but if you are using them for that purpose then they can't be full.





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  #2798734 21-Oct-2021 12:24
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In Australia I have seen watertanks used as a boundary fence, When tanks we first made compulsory in Melbourne, apparently the price of the tanks plummeted and got inovative.

 

Water restrictions end this weekend.

 

https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/auckland/auckland-water-shortage-restrictions-to-be-lifted-this-weekend/?fbclid=IwAR321r8SXvTdw_wkYCd9Vs1io0DYJ4y9Uc2Ie_gmp8RwiM0AG6WrBxvVjfI

 

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  #2799652 22-Oct-2021 20:46
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SATTV: Yes there would need to be a small electric pump and you could have a bypass should you run out of tank water.

Not necessarily. A medium size downpipe can be used to store quite a few litres. Automatic bypass for both is not too difficult. Minimal filtering if any required for toilet use.

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  #2799653 22-Oct-2021 20:50
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blackjack17: The problem with smaller water storage tanks is they run out when you need them and have plenty of water when you don't need them.  The only thing they are really useful for is surge tanks but if you are using them for that purpose then they can't be full.

Rainfall is getting variable as can be seen with fluctuating dam levels. Imo even getting back a few percent helps. Councils fixing leaks for example. It's very worthwhile when there is no fill occuring.

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evilengineer:

 

The metric system changes prefix (kilo, mega, giga etc.) in base 1000 not 1024!

 

Should really be using cubic metres for volumes that large.

 

1 Gigalitre -> 1e09 Litres = 1,000,000 m3 or a 1m deep square km of water.

 

 

AFAIR, the water biz never used cubic yards pre metrication so why would they use cubic metres today?

 

At least they are not as crazy as those folks who like to describe the capacity of their dams in acre feet. :)


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  #2799858 23-Oct-2021 14:12
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I am of the opinion that the Auckland water shortage was exagerated in order to gain traction for the city's demands to increase the amount taken from the Waikato river.


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  #2799988 23-Oct-2021 16:01
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jpoc:

 

I am of the opinion that the Auckland water shortage was exagerated in order to gain traction for the city's demands to increase the amount taken from the Waikato river.

 

 

Pictures I saw of the dams and the water levels in rivers and streams 6 months ago didn't look exagerated. We are at 94% now better and better by the day.

 

Just when I want a day of decent weather to do lawn maintenance. 


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  #2800103 23-Oct-2021 17:23
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networkn:

Pictures I saw of the dams and the water levels in rivers and streams 6 months ago didn't look exagerated. We are at 94% now better and better by the day.

 

 

More to the point, the dam levels right now are the highest at any point in the three-year history the Watercare web site displays. Given that things are only going to get worse in the future, getting in extra river capacity when we've got the chance was a good move.

 

 

Edited to clear up possible ambiguity: What I meant was that the water levels at the moment are the highest they've been in the three-year history of the Watercare display, an anomalous situation. If they'd followed the trend from the past few years, we'd be in serious trouble come summer.

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