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  #2815086 18-Nov-2021 10:55
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ezbee:

 


I see that LiFEPo4 batteries are starting to become available.
Though no famous brand backing ?
https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/vectral-lifepo4-rechargeable-solar-batteries-pack-of-2/p/329289

 

AA are only 600mAH , but LiFEPo4 don't have a tendency to combust.
Technology has reputation of being robust and a very high cycle life.

 

At 3.2V for each cell thats equivalent of 1.6V x 2. 
So put in 1/2 the batteries in a device, and make a dummy to fill the empty spots ?

 

Potential Problems 
No major bands yet ? 
No specs on maximum discharge, self discharge and other parameters.
You need a different charger than NIMH, and other Lithium Cells.
Capacity for these so-so. 600mAH for AA, what you might expect for a AAA.
If a major brand gets involved they may use better LiFePo4 technology.
LiFePo4 don't give a nice slow voltage drop, rather, steady voltage with sudden drop at the end.
Assuring minimum voltage of 2.5V, might be tricky.
Unless equipment refuses to operate of give warning to ensure you don;t over discharge.

 

 

 

 

you can use one of these as the dummy cell, just connect both terminals with a wire - AAA to AA adaptor.

 

also need to make sure nobody replaces the battery with 2 of those LiFePO4 cells.

 

as far as energy goes, 3.2V x 600mAh = 1920 mAH not too far from a decent NiMH cell.

 

not sure why you think the discharge pattern is a 'potential problem'... it generally means the device is functional for much longer. unless you're thinking of getting caught off guard when it drops off. if anything, a protected cell will have an even sharper drop off when voltage protection is triggered. but that's a good thing for the cell - that's how you ensure it doesn't go below minimum voltage.

 

next time i'm at M10, i might pick up one of these just to test. i know jaycar also has them. might be good to compare.

 

 

 

 




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  #2815315 18-Nov-2021 14:11
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Thanks for all the tips and pointers in here, I might have a look at the Panasonic ones from PB Tech, I think.


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  #2815348 18-Nov-2021 15:14
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quickymart:

 

Thanks for all the tips and pointers in here, I might have a look at the Panasonic ones from PB Tech, I think.

 

 

as far a AAs and AAAs go, there's really nothing else to consider. you won't regret it.




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  #2815372 18-Nov-2021 17:06
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I got a whole lot of dick smith ones when they went out of business to replace all my generic crap ones and they're working great for me, have 4 eneloops and they're also great.

 

Don't use them in IR remotes - really hurts the range and directionality compared with fresh alkalines. I normally swap my remote batteries out well before they're dead because I have to start aiming it. They then go into wall clocks. Not much else still uses AA's or AAAs that benifit from rechargable. Keyboards and mice last long enough on alkalines that its not worth it going rechargable over a giant pack from bunnings or mitre 10, cant use in the cat door. Just leave a few toys, boom boxes etc now.





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  #2815457 18-Nov-2021 22:11
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quickymart:

That looks like it might be a goer. How long do the batteries last? How many charges?

 

 

I'll let you know as soon as any of my 5-10 year old Eneloops stop working. Please stay on the line.

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  #2815459 18-Nov-2021 22:14
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eonsim:

You can get rechargeable Lithium AA cells these days (Pbtech carries some). They provide the full 1.5v unlike NiHM, think they use a different internal voltage but have a converter to drop it to the correct level for an AA. Advantage is they charge relatively fast and seem to last for a while, no idea what the number of recharge cycles they'll survive though...

 

 

Better is to use a LiFePO4 and a spacer cell to get the same effect, as long as the device takes an even number of cells.

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I also got some of the Dick Smith AA ones and they are still going strong, as are some PowerHaus ones I got about 15 years  ago, and some more recent Eneloops. However some of the generics I got from Jaycar haven't fared nearly as well.

 

I also have a bunch of NiMH C and D cells I impulse purchased from Dick Smith (at about 90% off when they were going out of business). They seem OK, but that assesment should be taken with caution as they haven't really had much use. While I have a ton of stuff that uses AAA and AA cells, I don't use C and D cells much any more.

 

The low self discharge of the Eneloops means they work well in remote controls. Plus, they save me a bit in the remote for my Roku Ultra, which eats batteries and otherwise needs new batteries about every 6-8 weeks. Probably because it uses Bluetooth to route decent quality audio from the Roku box to any headphones plugged into the 3.5mm jack on the remote.

 

 


 
 
 

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  #2818608 24-Nov-2021 17:10
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neb: I'll let you know as soon as any of my 5-10 year old Eneloops stop working. Please stay on the line.

 

 

Well, that was quick. Had an Eneloop die on me yesterday, read about 10mV on a DMM. This was in a device with two AA's, one of which was at 0.9V, so I assume that rather than shutting down the single cell was keeping it powered enough to keep drawing current and that over-discharged the faster-draining cell. So it wasn't Eneloop-specific, it just happened to occur with an Eneloop.

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  #2819030 25-Nov-2021 10:34
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Eneloop are honestly just another brand now . Not even made by Panasonic .
Their sales rely on the reputation built up when they used to be Owned by Sharp . Its a completely different batt now (Low self Discharge )
capacity increased, LSD got better, expected life decreased (from wiki)

 

Also would be the most faked batt brand .

 

Im sure they are still very good, but are they still the best , or just another good brand .

 

 


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  #2819239 25-Nov-2021 16:13
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1101:

 

Eneloop are honestly just another brand now . Not even made by Panasonic .
Their sales rely on the reputation built up when they used to be Owned by Sharp . Its a completely different batt now (Low self Discharge )
capacity increased, LSD got better, expected life decreased (from wiki)

 

Also would be the most faked batt brand .

 

Im sure they are still very good, but are they still the best , or just another good brand .

 

 

you mean sanyo (rather than sharp). most of my eneloops are still of the sanyo brand.

 

most faked, yes. buy from reputable sources.

 

have to disagree with 'the reputation built up when they used to be owned by sanyo'. simply because i haven't found anything better and i try the readily available energizers and vartas every now and then. used in a torch that can draw up to around 2.2 amps, i've found none that can serve as well, and have as long a useful life. do you have any experience with a different brand of comparable quality?

 

for those who have the time... https://eneloop101.com/

 

 


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