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#3162257 21-Nov-2023 21:20

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I wonder if there is any correlation to the number or length of lockdowns during COVID? That isn't a political dig, nor an statement of criticism nor approval, but I do feel they had a reasonable impact on peoples mental health.

Quite possibly. Some people seem to think their lives were permanently ruined by lockdown. There are also a lot of people who think that home detention is no punishment. Probably a reasonable number of people manage to think both at once. Personally, I loved level 4. *shrug*

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#3162266 21-Nov-2023 21:28

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Quite possibly. Some people seem to think their lives were permanently ruined by lockdown. There are also a lot of people who think that home detention is no punishment. Probably a reasonable number of people manage to think both at once. Personally, I loved level 4. *shrug*

I think there are people who think home detention is no big deal and not a punishment. I'd suggest those people are comparing to prison, or haven't tried it. I know lots of people who had very little issue with Lockdown 1. I don't know many who enjoyed living in Auckland during the last lockdown.

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#3162267 21-Nov-2023 21:29

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And I'm only half joking when I suggest that the Luxon government has already solved the ram-raid crisis - clearly, nothing has changed in the last 4 weeks, but it was astonishing how quickly we stopped getting breathless reports three times a day of yet another dairy being robbed once election day came around.

You might find the media has adjusted the reporting and give it less relevance nowadays.

1) because if it’s published, then other kids want to get in on the act too. (True fact)

2) retailers and business owners don’t want the attention and partly because of #1 above (true fact)

I work in an industry that sees a lot of these ram raids and the feedback I get from retailers when they have their 2nd or 3rd “raid”, is that the police have advised the culprits are the friends or associates of the ones that 1st attempted it and each are trying to get 1Up on each other.

the town I’m in….there’s been a handful of “raids” in the past 2 weeks…none made the news.

edit 2; I’m pretty sure many are now being classed as burglaries (if cars are not used to gain entry).

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#3162269 21-Nov-2023 21:32

networkn:

I wonder if there is any correlation to the number or length of lockdowns during COVID? That isn't a political dig, nor an statement of criticism nor approval, but I do feel they had a reasonable impact on peoples mental health.

impacts, yes. but that has gone a long time ago. its not directly driving the current situation, but there is still some after effects.

the big reason is cost of living, in particular housing. especially the poor, or working poor, are hit very hard with housing costs and most of their income goes on housing.

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#3162304 22-Nov-2023 07:32

well, it really doesn't help when everyone now knows that the cops just won't turn up to things anymore. They always say they are busy, but I think it's got to the point now that even if there are free cops they just don't bother sending anymore.

I would love the break down of how they assign work.

Ways to fix it, bring back the old black and white cars from the ministry of transport, get the police away from doing traffic s**t.

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#3162320 22-Nov-2023 08:11

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I would love the break down of how they assign work.

For frontline police, ”jobs” are assigned by priority*. P1 where life is at risk or a great chance of harm. P2 where time is critical but harm unlikely. P3 attendance required. etc.

It is not unusual for a complete shift to consist of P1 after P1 and for frontline police to go home exhausted at the end of each shift. “Family Harm” incidents are a huge part of every shift (which in itself harks back to the thread title) and people who live a “safe” life need to recognise that.
The answer is more staff. Hopefully the incoming Police Minister recognises that and walks the walk as well as talking the talk.

Traffic police are still sworn officers with the powers of arrest. Their primary role is enforcement of NZ traffic laws but they are also still police officers in the same way detectives in the CIB are.

* I’m not NZ Police, the actual criterion used may officially be slightly different.

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#3162324 22-Nov-2023 08:41

Susie Ferguson presented a very interesting podcast series earlier this year about people becoming angry and socially disengaged. It includes James Shaw recounting the assault that he was subjected to in 2019, and his suggestion that our entire system of government could completely break down if more and more people start rejecting authority.

It sounds like an alarmist statement but, if you think about it, our system of law and order is based on the assumption that the vast majority of people will obey the law and the state only needs to resource enforcement against a very small minority. We are not far off the tipping point where the state could start losing that battle.

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#3162335 22-Nov-2023 09:01

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well, it really doesn't help when everyone now knows that the cops just won't turn up to things anymore.

Again, this is neither new nor a New Zealand phenomenon. I had a 200SX stolen out of my driveway in the early years of the Key government. When I called the police they just said "You'll never see it again. Hope you're insured." and didn't bother to come out.

Years ago, when I was a teenager in Penrith, our house was broken into and all the computers were stolen amongst other things. Back then having three computers in one house was unheard of. The police didn't even want to talk to me (I was first home to discover it) because I wasn't the owner, and it took dad multiple harangues to get them to come out several days later, look at the front door, and say "It looks like you've been broken into. Hope you're insured."

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#3162360 22-Nov-2023 11:17

SaltyNZ:

Personally, I loved level 4. *shrug*

You're probably not in Auckland, probably don't live in an apartment, and probably don't have young children.

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#3162362 22-Nov-2023 11:22

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SaltyNZ:

Personally, I loved level 4. *shrug*

You're probably not in Auckland, probably don't live in an apartment, and probably don't have young children.

We have two teenagers + the FIL was moved in as he lived alone on a bush block otherwise. I'm in Auckland and all 5 of us were living in the garage during L4 because our house had just been demolished for renovations.

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#3162377 22-Nov-2023 12:10

tripp:

well, it really doesn't help when everyone now knows that the cops just won't turn up to things anymore. They always say they are busy, but I think it's got to the point now that even if there are free cops they just don't bother sending anymore.

I would love the break down of how they assign work.

Ways to fix it, bring back the old black and white cars from the ministry of transport, get the police away from doing traffic s**t.

I was just about to post something similar. Since the old MOT days driving behaviour has gone the same way as crime. Drivers don't bother with even the basic, sensible and practical laws because they know no authority will notice. Therefore you get more crime on the roads. Good grief, I've seen some crazy police driving behaviour; if they don't follow the law then why should anyone else?

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#3162381 22-Nov-2023 12:39

Maybe its just there is much less of a sense of community, and sadly some of the blame for that starts in the home.

Whats the divorce rate these days, 50%? Little wonder that children are confused, angry, disengaged with greater society when a home is not a stable environment. As much as he has become a bit extreme in recent times, theres something to be said for Jordan B Peterson's "12 rules for life" including "tidy your room" analogy. If our own house isn't in order, how can we expect to function properly in society.

The cause of divorce / broken homes is another issue, as are the variation in statistics between ethnic groups (incl the cause / catalyst for the broken relationship in the first place). Theres usually a few baseline "blame factors" for divorce / broken homes (money, infidelity & violence) but it is a deep, complex issue where those things are sometimes just the symptom of greater failings.

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#3162396 22-Nov-2023 13:32

tripp:

well, it really doesn't help when everyone now knows that the cops just won't turn up to things anymore. They always say they are busy, but I think it's got to the point now that even if there are free cops they just don't bother sending anymore.

I would love the break down of how they assign work.

Ways to fix it, bring back the old black and white cars from the ministry of transport, get the police away from doing traffic s**t.

thats nothing new. police have always been severely underfunded. this is why the whole "get tough on crime" debate is a complete laugh as no one wants to pay more taxes to pay for more police. its always "someone else's problem let them pay for it".

one of the common downsides of the underfunded police is what crime do they have to ignore. its usually road crime and minor stuff like shop lifting. of course when you ignore the small stuff people learn how to do it, therefore they are creating the problem they are meant to be solving. "nz doesn't have domestic violence" is a classic example of that.

then of course throw in things like meth "its just a minor party drug", 501's etc.

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#3162398 22-Nov-2023 13:36

sen8or:

Maybe its just there is much less of a sense of community, and sadly some of the blame for that starts in the home.

Whats the divorce rate these days, 50%? Little wonder that children are confused, angry, disengaged with greater society when a home is not a stable environment. As much as he has become a bit extreme in recent times, theres something to be said for Jordan B Peterson's "12 rules for life" including "tidy your room" analogy. If our own house isn't in order, how can we expect to function properly in society.

The cause of divorce / broken homes is another issue, as are the variation in statistics between ethnic groups (incl the cause / catalyst for the broken relationship in the first place). Theres usually a few baseline "blame factors" for divorce / broken homes (money, infidelity & violence) but it is a deep, complex issue where those things are sometimes just the symptom of greater failings.

agreed. home is not a stable environment when you don't have a home, or one that keeps changing. 20 years into a housing crisis, its not going to get better any time soon.

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#3162403 22-Nov-2023 14:02

There was a time where "wait till your father comes home", installed an enormous level of fear, such that it curtailed the very activity that caused those words to be uttered in the first place

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