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#310776 21-Nov-2023 11:17

When a retailer decides they have to take this action there is something seriously wrong in our society.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/502872/woolworths-to-spend-45-million-on-safety-initiatives-after-131-percent-rise-in-physical-assaults

Physical and verbal abuse to staff is up to four times worse than in Australia.

We need to be asking why. Rather than spending money on "safety initiatives" we need to be dealing with the underlying problem.

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#3161935 21-Nov-2023 11:20

I thought we already concluded that was because of the Labour government and/or co-governance and that (based on news reports) the as-yet-non-existent Luxon government has solved all crime.

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#3161941 21-Nov-2023 11:51

Sadly a lot of the policies that were supposedly to improve the lot of the under privileged and remove the drivers of crime have actually made it worse.

Even worse some policies were blatant windows dressing to create an illusion things had improved. The proof is in the eating and the taste is crap.

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#3162011 21-Nov-2023 12:22

Unfortunately it's not surprising given the abuse and anti-social behaviour that I have been encountering lately when I am just minding my own business out on the street.

The interesting thing about that interview is the suggestion that some Australian states are encountering this problem, while others are not. It would be interesting to know which ones, as it might give a clue as to what some of the drivers are.

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#3162017 21-Nov-2023 12:29

Really doesn't help when police can't be bothered turning up for shoplifters and thieves and the people who get hold of such miscreants get told to let them go (I'd like to think thats an urban myth but apparently not).

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#3162019 21-Nov-2023 12:34

alasta:

Unfortunately it's not surprising given the abuse and anti-social behaviour that I have been encountering lately when I am just minding my own business out on the street.

My 15 year-old daughter was called a whole bunch of things I won't repeat here - several of which could reasonably be termed as hate speech - by a screaming drunk on the bus yesterday morning. He was also screaming at the driver. There was no physical harm done and he was kicked off at the next stop.

That's a first time for her ... but drunks screaming abuse at strangers is as old as alcohol itself.

And I'm only half joking when I suggest that the Luxon government has already solved the ram-raid crisis - clearly, nothing has changed in the last 4 weeks, but it was astonishing how quickly we stopped getting breathless reports three times a day of yet another dairy being robbed once election day came around.

Which is all a round-about reason to say that although it's out there, of course, I think in reality there's a lot less "more" crime than the media has led us to believe. The last ram-raid "crisis" we had was just before Jacinda Ardern won the 2017 election, i.e. under the last National government.

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#3162020 21-Nov-2023 12:35

From its peak in March 2018, when the prison population was at 10,820, there has been a reduction to 7,702 by December 2021, marking a 29% decrease. As of March 2022, New Zealand's prison population was reported to be 7,677.

The number of violent offences in New Zealand remained relatively stable at around 50,000 from 2015 to 2018. However, in the last four years, this number has increased to over 70,000, equating to almost 200 people a day being assaulted. Even after adjusting for population growth, this represents a 33% increase in the rate of violent offending since 2017.

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#3162055 21-Nov-2023 13:26

Must be some expensive signs (/s)

Just been to the local. There are now posters at the checkout start outlining unruly behaviour won't be tolerated and police may be called.

I presume long contract in store security will make a chunk of the cost. Local new world has one themselves from private firm with bodycam etc.

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#3162058 21-Nov-2023 13:50

Shoplifters will be cheerfully beaten to a pulp.....

Was a sign in my fathers motorcycle shop from a decade long since past. Violence may not be the answer, but neither are "wrap around services" or a harsh scolding from a judge.

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#3162059 21-Nov-2023 13:51

Technofreak:

Physical and verbal abuse to staff is up to four times worse than in Australia.

In Australia many malls, stores and even govt offices have notices about abuse won't be tolerated, so guess it's a thing.

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#3162150 21-Nov-2023 15:29

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-02/nt-government-recommits-private-security-capsicum-spray/103047948

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#3162162 21-Nov-2023 16:18

Dulouz:

From its peak in March 2018, when the prison population was at 10,820, there has been a reduction to 7,702 by December 2021, marking a 29% decrease. As of March 2022, New Zealand's prison population was reported to be 7,677.

The number of violent offences in New Zealand remained relatively stable at around 50,000 from 2015 to 2018. However, in the last four years, this number has increased to over 70,000, equating to almost 200 people a day being assaulted. Even after adjusting for population growth, this represents a 33% increase in the rate of violent offending since 2017.

To be accurate, that number represents a 33% increase in reported violent offences. That may or may not equate to a 33% increase in violent offences.

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#3162167 21-Nov-2023 16:43

I have a distant in-law who is a WoolWorths/Countdown area manager. Mid year I was shown an in store CCTV footage of a hooded female teen dropping a kitchen knife into her hand from her hoodie sleeve. Apparently several weeks earlier she had been stopped by store security and manager for shop lifting. She had then on several occasions returned to the store and threatened the manager. This time she came with a knife.

Store staff and security are not allowed to physically touch suspects. They are to follow and try and get plate numbers, vehicle description etc. But apparently police are so busy or short staffed that unless there is a physical assault with a weapon then they normally do not attend.

So sad.

Parents can not discipline. Teachers can not discipline. Relatives can not discipline. Police can not discipline. AND I am only referring to vocal discipline NOT physical. No respect. All you get is a double "flip the bird 🖕🖕".

All these forms of discipline and respect start from the day we are born!!

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#3162181 21-Nov-2023 18:41

One security guard at my local The Warehouse has been wearing a stab-proof vest for 3-5 years now. A long time. At first it was just one guy.

In the last year or so I've noticed door security at my local paknsave near the entrance are wearing something similar. They don't seem to police the exit as much for some reason.

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#3162231 21-Nov-2023 19:21

SaltyNZ:

Which is all a round-about reason to say that although it's out there, of course, I think in reality there's a lot less "more" crime than the media has led us to believe. The last ram-raid "crisis" we had was just before Jacinda Ardern won the 2017 election, i.e. under the last National government.

Good Grief, give it a rest. It's not different than the number of 'homeless' stories that the media fed us leading up to the 2017 election that suddenly went away overnight. I hear of at least one ram raid or robbery every day through the press even since the election and it hasn't been 'magically' fixed, it's alive and well, as the end of our street bakery had their front door smashed down mid last week.

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#3162232 21-Nov-2023 19:25

alasta:

Unfortunately it's not surprising given the abuse and anti-social behaviour that I have been encountering lately when I am just minding my own business out on the street.

The interesting thing about that interview is the suggestion that some Australian states are encountering this problem, while others are not. It would be interesting to know which ones, as it might give a clue as to what some of the drivers are.

I wonder if there is any correlation to the number or length of lockdowns during COVID? That isn't a political dig, nor an statement of criticism nor approval, but I do feel they had a reasonable impact on peoples mental health.

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