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ascroft
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  #3163838 26-Nov-2023 08:00
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Roadworks down the bottom of KP not helping at all. Two lanes forced in to one. Shouldn’t be allowed in Nov or Dec. Of course no one actually working on them…… The mayor would blow a fuse if he saw it. AT presumably.




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  #3163846 26-Nov-2023 08:29
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I got caught up in this nonsense on Friday afternoon, picking someone up from Newmarket. Got over the bridge fine, but once I got the CMJ it slowed down to an absolute crawl. Haven't seen it that bad before.


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  #3163847 26-Nov-2023 08:36
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TBH this is mostly just “Auckland”. Newmarket and the mall are bad, but if you don’t drive in Auckland frequently, EVERYWHERE is like this, it’s just degrees of “broken”.

 

Westgate is as much of a mess, if not more, it’s just more spread out. Sylvia Park: avoid. Botany can be ok, but.., only just. (It’s also fairly small)

 

two of those have train stations (Newmarket and Sylvia park), tho Sylvia park is closed until January. 

 

30 years of infill housing with no expansion of public transport. This is what you get. The manure pile belongs on every local and national government since the mid 90s. 





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  #3164025 26-Nov-2023 14:33
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Yeah, it's congested around Newmarket at popular shopping times (Nov & Dec rainy yesterdays especially). This has been the case as long as I can remember.

But what is generating the bad press at the Westfield mall, will be the distribution of flows out of the carpark.

When traffic is car park heavy people tend to ignore any markings / signage an just merge 1:1 (and for good reason).

But take the northern most car-park exit at westfeld (orange carpark, morrow street exit), and lets look at the impact of the stacked 1:1 merges:

Level 2 (lowest carparking in that building): gets 1/2 of the exit capacity
Level 2m:  1 in 4
Level 3: 1 in 8
Level 3M: 1 in 16
Level 4: 1 in 32
Level 4m: 1 in 64
Level 5: 1 in 128 (I think there is a level 5?)


So if that exit to morrow street under contested conditions can handle say 250 car's per hour, those waiting on the top deck are only moving forward by 2 cars an hour... while cars  on lower levels are exiting reasonable quickly.

I assume the upper levels of the southern (green) carpark are not as badly impacted due to the presence of the exit ramp from one of the middle levels, direct to Mortimer Pass.

When I visit at times I know will be busy, I make an effort to park in the basements (northern/orange basement is second on the left on Mortimer Pass, Southern / green basement is on the right of Mortimer Pass. Both basements have their own dedicated exit lane / barrier (Northen to Mortimer Pass, Southern to Clovernook Rd), so don't need to merge with other floors. They typically seem to have lots more free carparking spaces than upper levels also.



 

One factor making this issue worse is a parking pricing model that encourages turnover (free for 2 hours, expensive after that). Means each car parking space generates more car movements than other malls like Westfeild Albany etc.

And the general road layout around the mall is sub-optimal.

 

  • Clovernook Rd should be configured with two eastbound lanes for it's whole length.
  • Center lane at eastern end of Mortimer pass should be configured for straight, left and right turns (rather than the rarity usedstraight only), giving more capacity out of Mortimer pass per light phase.
  • Zebra crossing at the eastern end of Mortimer pass should be eliminated (it is rarely used and there is a crossing at the lights just 40m away), which would allow the road to be three lanes up untill the exit ramp of the southern carpark.
  • At the Gillies ave / Mortimer pass intersection, left hand northbound lane should also allow right turns, meaning more traffic per phase can get into Mortimer pass and reducing the fouling of the intersection at the motorway off ramp.
  • Left turn bay into Mortimer pass from morrow street should be longer, to reduce blocking of traffic looking to go straight through.
  • Geometry of kerb cuts on Mortimer pass should be reviewed. currently it is such that most cars leaving the northen parking building need to swing over the center lane, which slows throughput.
  • Painted island should be replaced with a raised island (or flexi posts), so traffic exiting the building dosn't need to be concerned that cars in the left turn only lane will dis-regard the painted island. This will improve throughput of exiting cars.
  • There needs to be some means to discourage drivers from using the first carpark entry on mortimer place (in favor of the other car-park entries further down the street)

 

 


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#3164031 26-Nov-2023 15:49
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Great points and thanks for the tip! Ironically two hours is not enough to get around the place and stop for something to eat so on our first and only visit so far we rushed out of there before the parking expired.

  #3164042 26-Nov-2023 16:52
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The best tip I have if you do want to Newmarket for shopping is to use the Nuffield street car park. It's only a 5min walk and it's still run by Westfield so you also get the 2hrs free. Much easier to get in and out of that the main car parks.


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  #3164260 26-Nov-2023 22:56
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Went their this afternoon. Around 5pm, so most of new-market was uncontested.

Mortimer Pass has throughput issues regardless. - the center lane was full of queuing cars for the length of the road, despite the left and right lanes (and surrounding roads) being largely uncojested.

 

I note that (contrary to my prior comment) the eastern end of the road has a left turn lane, a straight and right lane & a right turn only lane (this must have been changed at some time since the current google aerial image capture).

Right turn direction is the dominant traffic flow, so this is a good move, but still not enough to move the volume of cars needed through the (fairly lengthy) phase time allocated.

The issue being, once the (per the photo above), once the two cars in the right lane, and 4 cars in the left lane have cleared the intersection, there is only one lane of traffic carrying the flow, as the right most lane is inaccessible due to the narrowing to two lanes about 50m before the intersection.

I think NZ road design dos not allow a pedestrian crossing to cross more than two lanes. Generally I am a big supporter of crossings, but I question the value of this one. There are no pedestrian entrances near it, and it is just 40m from the signalized crossing. IF we could ditch it, it would greatly improve traffic flows.

Quick & cheap fix would be to change the left lane to straight and left, and make the center and right lane right turn only. This would move a bit more traffic load into the underutilized left lane, and out of the badly congested center lane.

Re-configuring the road layout such that the right center lane feeds into the right hand lane, with the left hand lane instead splitting into two lanes could be another idea to get a bit more throughput.

Volumes of traffic here aren't unmanageable for a an intersection with three lanes, it is just those lanes aren't well managed.




In busy times congestion on Mortimer Pass is what is responsible for causing a tail back onto the motorway (gullies southbound ramp), so this should be a priority to fix.


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