Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | 2 
fe31nz
1229 posts

Uber Geek


  #3285944 24-Sep-2024 23:26
Send private message

That might be a Class A amplifier.  In Class A, the amplifier is running its power supply at full power at all times, and drawing off the required power for the audio signal and wasting the rest to heat.  The reason for doing this is that the audio signal is then not dependent on the power supply being ramped up in time for a high power audio output.  If the power supply can not supply the required power in time for a peak audio signal, the sound quality is distorted.  And peaks can come very rapidly, such as with the start of a note on a plucked string (guitar, harpsichord, harp) or a piano string.  So Class A is basically considered the "best" sort of audio amplifier as it will never fail to ramp up the power in time.  I have an ancient Plinius SA 50 Class A amplifier (50 watts RMS output), and I have never found any need to upgrade it as it provides superb music.  I love Baroque music where there is a lot of harpsichord, and I originally got the SA 50 specifically for harpsichord recordings, although it also makes a lot of other recordings sound better too.  The SA 50 does need to be warmed up, but only for a couple of minutes - hours of warm up sounds as though there are other problems.  With a Class A amplifier, you generally only need a lower maximum power rating - with other classes of amplifier where the power needs to be ramped up, higher power ratings are often used so as to have more power available faster, rather than the maximum level really being needed.




neb

neb

11294 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #3285945 24-Sep-2024 23:26
Send private message

mattwnz: My parents have some older NZ built amplifiers for their stereo system  that are always powered as they are designed that way, as they take hours to fully warm up to produce the best sound.

 

That sounds suspiciously like audio woo-woo... valve amps should take 15-20 minutes to stabilise while SS amps shouldn't be affected at all.  Is it a valve amp?


cshwone
1070 posts

Uber Geek


  #3285956 25-Sep-2024 05:43
Send private message

neb:

 

mattwnz: My parents have some older NZ built amplifiers for their stereo system  that are always powered as they are designed that way, as they take hours to fully warm up to produce the best sound.

 

That sounds suspiciously like audio woo-woo... valve amps should take 15-20 minutes to stabilise while SS amps shouldn't be affected at all.  Is it a valve amp?

 

 

Not forgetting that the amplifier output has to be routed to the speakers using oxygenated gold Monster cables for the best sound. 😉




richms
28172 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #3286060 25-Sep-2024 10:28
Send private message

neb:

 

mattwnz: My parents have some older NZ built amplifiers for their stereo system  that are always powered as they are designed that way, as they take hours to fully warm up to produce the best sound.

 

That sounds suspiciously like audio woo-woo... valve amps should take 15-20 minutes to stabilise while SS amps shouldn't be affected at all.  Is it a valve amp?

 

 

Not woowoo at all. Rather than a competent feedback circuit, they have them all manually biased at operating temperature, so when its cold things are not quite right in them. Some audiophools have a boner for not having any negative feedback in amplifiers, others want them to be DC coupled because that 0Hz bass is what we all want. Hand matched transistors tested at operating temperature is a thing that people will pay 1000s more for because reasons.





Richard rich.ms

MarkM536
309 posts

Ultimate Geek


  #3286267 25-Sep-2024 15:36
Send private message

Any good recommendations people have on plug-in power meters?

 

Something with a reasonable refresh rate and ideally S (VA) value or power factor (decimal or percentage).

 

 

 

The other thought is using a good quality wifi smart plug with power monitoring.


mattwnz
20147 posts

Uber Geek


  #3286280 25-Sep-2024 16:17
Send private message

neb:

 

mattwnz: My parents have some older NZ built amplifiers for their stereo system  that are always powered as they are designed that way, as they take hours to fully warm up to produce the best sound.

 

That sounds suspiciously like audio woo-woo... valve amps should take 15-20 minutes to stabilise while SS amps shouldn't be affected at all.  Is it a valve amp?

 

 

 

 

It is  lower grade, and  older version of this sort of amp.  https://soundhub.co.nz/products/plinius-reference-a-150-power-amplifier  . This ones says it is 92W when idle. I wouldn't be surprised if my parents one was using more power than that when idle and unused. You can definitely hear the sound differnence when you intiially turn it on, versus when it has been on for an hour or more. I guess they coudl always put it on a timer, but not sure if the constyant on and off cycles is good for the components. It's literally 30 years of constant operation and it has just been recapped. 


neb

neb

11294 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #3286281 25-Sep-2024 16:30
Send private message

mattwnz: It is  lower grade, and  older version of this sort of amp.  https://soundhub.co.nz/products/plinius-reference-a-150-power-amplifier  . This ones says it is 92W when idle. I wouldn't be surprised if my parents one was using more power than that when idle and unused. You can definitely hear the sound differnence when you intiially turn it on, versus when it has been on for an hour or more.

 

OK, so it's definitely not a valve amp:

 

DISTORTION <0.03% THD at rated output power

 

This review gives a bit more detail and confirms it's SS.  And the manual says:

 

You will find that the Plinius Reference A-150 will become noticeably ‘purer’ in sound after being on for a period of time. We recommend waiting at least 24 hours before expecting the best quality of sound reproduction from your amplifier.

 

So definitely an audiophile product.

 

Edited to add: Quote from another review:

 

I was struck by a new expressiveness of tonal colors. It sounded as if soundstages were being sketched in my room as usual, but that someone had used brightly colored markers to fill in all the spaces. Sounds such as those produced by pianos popped off the page -- I felt I could almost bite into the notes, so tangible were they. [...]  In “Ando,” Benoît’s piano and Houle’s clarinet wove a remarkable soundscape that was displayed as lush sound in my room, a dense, thick jungle of tangled notes and tones. The sounds had texture and beauty, the antithesis of dry or antiseptic.


 
 
 
 

Shop now for Lenovo laptops and other devices (affiliate link).

neb

neb

11294 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #3286294 25-Sep-2024 16:44
Send private message

MarkM536: Any good recommendations people have on plug-in power meters?

 

Something with a reasonable refresh rate and ideally S (VA) value or power factor (decimal or percentage).

 

For spot checks I use something like this, there's a ton of similar ones around on TM and the like, I just got the Multicomp (Element14's house brand) because it was on special at the time.


1 | 2 
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic





News and reviews »

Air New Zealand Starts AI adoption with OpenAI
Posted 24-Jul-2025 16:00


eero Pro 7 Review
Posted 23-Jul-2025 12:07


BeeStation Plus Review
Posted 21-Jul-2025 14:21


eero Unveils New Wi-Fi 7 Products in New Zealand
Posted 21-Jul-2025 00:01


WiZ Introduces HDMI Sync Box and other Light Devices
Posted 20-Jul-2025 17:32


RedShield Enhances DDoS and Bot Attack Protection
Posted 20-Jul-2025 17:26


Seagate Ships 30TB Drives
Posted 17-Jul-2025 11:24


Oclean AirPump A10 Water Flosser Review
Posted 13-Jul-2025 11:05


Samsung Galaxy Z Fold7: Raising the Bar for Smartphones
Posted 10-Jul-2025 02:01


Samsung Galaxy Z Flip7 Brings New Edge-To-Edge FlexWindow
Posted 10-Jul-2025 02:01


Epson Launches New AM-C550Z WorkForce Enterprise printer
Posted 9-Jul-2025 18:22


Samsung Releases Smart Monitor M9
Posted 9-Jul-2025 17:46


Nearly Half of Older Kiwis Still Write their Passwords on Paper
Posted 9-Jul-2025 08:42


D-Link 4G+ Cat6 Wi-Fi 6 DWR-933M Mobile Hotspot Review
Posted 1-Jul-2025 11:34


Oppo A5 Series Launches With New Levels of Durability
Posted 30-Jun-2025 10:15









Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.