marej:

 

 

 

No one knows what stage 2 or 3 is because there is no such thing.

 

 

 

You making this up?

Mspec:

Paper bags are far worse than plastic bags.

elpenguino:

Mspec:

 

Paper bags are far worse than plastic bags.

 

I was referring to product packaging not bags. Clearly, when it comes to carrying your purchases, re-using a strong bag or some other device is a good option. But how to wrap individual products without plastic? Will we see a return to having unwrapped products like bread, only handed out on demand in order to keep them out of range of every sticky finger and sneeze that goes past? Hard to imagine that when supermarkets have lately convinced customers to do their own checkout work.

The Declaration that we signed covers removal or replacement of plastic packaging, it also covers effective recycling. NZ doesn't recycle every well, we need to. And some plastic cannot be recycled so we need to manufacture ones that can be.

tdgeek:

 

From a Nov news article

 

Many retailers have signed an agreement to ensure other plastics such as food wrappings are recyclable, reusable or compostable by 2025.

 

What about other plastics?

 

Both the main supermarket chains are working to find alternatives. Foodstuffs introduced a recyclable meat tray, and Countdown has removed 70 tonnes of unnecessary packaging from its produce section, including plastic packaging from bananas.

 

"This alone removed 15.8 tonnes of plastic. We also no longer sell packs of single-use plastic straws," a spokeswoman said.

 

Foodstuffs is also a signatory to the Plastics Packaging Declaration, which promises to make all its packaging being reusable, recyclable or compostable by 2025.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/108825145/habits-must-change-as-times-called-on-plastic-bags

 

And the Plastics Packaging Declaration.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12064629

 

 

 

 

 

15.8 tonnes and some plastic straws......out of how much I wonder.

marej:

 

tdgeek:

 

From a Nov news article

 

Many retailers have signed an agreement to ensure other plastics such as food wrappings are recyclable, reusable or compostable by 2025.

 

What about other plastics?

 

Both the main supermarket chains are working to find alternatives. Foodstuffs introduced a recyclable meat tray, and Countdown has removed 70 tonnes of unnecessary packaging from its produce section, including plastic packaging from bananas.

 

"This alone removed 15.8 tonnes of plastic. We also no longer sell packs of single-use plastic straws," a spokeswoman said.

 

Foodstuffs is also a signatory to the Plastics Packaging Declaration, which promises to make all its packaging being reusable, recyclable or compostable by 2025.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/108825145/habits-must-change-as-times-called-on-plastic-bags

 

And the Plastics Packaging Declaration.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12064629

 

 

 

 

 

 

15.8 tonnes and some plastic straws......out of how much I wonder.

 

 

 

 

 

One example of many ways to reduce plastic packaging. But if you want to align to the Oppositon who say its a waste of time, feel free.

No more "single use" plastic bags at our two main supermarket chains as of today. Congratulations; the environment has been saved. Think I'll go burn a nice large pile of coal to celebrate.

I got one at the kmart self checkout today so that is good to still have there. Wonder how that will go when the ban on them finally comes in.

DarthKermit:

 

No more "single use" plastic bags at our two main supermarket chains as of today. Congratulations; the environment has been saved. Think I'll go burn a nice large pile of coal to celebrate.

 

It's like the corrugated iron air raid shelters they used in Britain - it keeps the populace contented.

amiga500:

 

It's like the corrugated iron air raid shelters they used in Britain - it keeps the populace contented.

 

No, it's a small start that will reduce a small portion of some of the worst single use plastic pollution.

With all the whinging over a minimally inconveniencing measure like this (oh my god, we have to bring our own bags!), how in the hell does the world stand a chance of actually fixing this problem or anything else? Get over yourselves people! Grow up. Make a tiny, tiny effort to do something that might just start to begin to help a little bit. Or take your damned bags and stick them over your heads!

It is not about how much or how little or if this measure will make any difference at all. It is about making a start. It is about changing the self-centred mentality of those who can't be bothered to give a damn. And don't start on crap about paper bags or other alternatives being worse in this way or that. I am sick of hearing these self-serving justifications for doing nothing. Single-use plastic bags are a known hazard to marine life, not to mention a really ugly disfigurement of the landscape. Let's start there.

tdgeek:

 

From a Nov news article

 

Many retailers have signed an agreement to ensure other plastics such as food wrappings are recyclable, reusable or compostable by 2025.

 

What about other plastics?

 

Both the main supermarket chains are working to find alternatives. Foodstuffs introduced a recyclable meat tray

 

If plastic is deemed 'recyclable', it is still plastic; the majority of which is not recycled as multinationals currently manufacture significantly more 'recyclable' plastic than our ability to actually recycle. For example, in the US it is estimated that only 4% of recyclable single use plastic is actually recycled.

But, hey, if it's labelled as 'recyclable' our collective consciences are eased and we can all go about happily consuming single use plastic.

What we should strive for is to eliminate single use plastic, not keep producing it under a recyclable label.

For example, rather than introduce a recyclable meat tray at supermarkets, why not bring back the supermarket butchery with meat behind refrigerated displays and butchery staff wrapping meat in wax paper packaging after selection?

dafman:

amiga500:

 

It's like the corrugated iron air raid shelters they used in Britain - it keeps the populace contented.

 

 

No, it's a small start that will reduce a small portion of some of the worst single use plastic pollution.

 

 

jlittle:

dafman:

 

amiga500:

 

It's like the corrugated iron air raid shelters they used in Britain - it keeps the populace contented.

 

 

No, it's a small start that will reduce a small portion of some of the worst single use plastic pollution.

 

 

 

  I am sceptical about the "we've got to start somewhere" argument; we should start with the worst problems.

Yeah nah, low hanging fruit and all that biz lingo.

Look at the resistance to a change in supermarket bag habits from some forum members - think they're going to stop eating meat overnight?

Rikkitic:

With all the whinging over a minimally inconveniencing measure like this (oh my god, we have to bring our own bags!), how in the hell does the world stand a chance ofe.