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  #2698784 27-Apr-2021 15:27
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I was verbally asked a question about what those black fan things are on wood burners. This was in earshot of my android phone. I knew what it was and didn't need to look it up. The next thing I have been getting adverts for them on instagram / facebook. It is really creepy how that happened, as it can't be a coincidence, as it is such a specific type of product. It is possible that someone else on my IP typed in the question on an ipad, but then it would be basing it the search on the IP. But I know of other people who say they have been discussing something, and they later see advertising for what they were discussing.

 

 

Yes, it can be and is a coincidence. If someone verbally asked you the question, it's a given that they're already looking at the thing in some other way, and as previously mentioned Facebook frequently targets things at connections to try and strike up discussions about products. While I do feel declaring all advertising as some form of nefarious psycho-warfare is way over the top and a bit tinfoil hat, I would happily describe Facebook's advertising practices as manipulative, intrusive and malevolent. 

 

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If web publishers were serious about tackling the abuses and excesses of the web tracking and advertising monstrosity, we'd have some kind of micropayment system by now. Ideally, one which solves the biggest problem with micropayments - the purchase decision. Ideally would be a fixed fee which my browser splits between the websites I view automatically and privately, meaning I don't have to worry about deciding to spend money on each link I click.

 

 

Vehemently disagree. Giving Google, Apple, and Microsoft that kind of power over site publishers as well as that kind of insight into everyone on Earth's browsing activity is absolute madness. And as to micropayments, where does it end? Isn't it bad enough every app is a subscription now instead of a one time purchase, you also want every website to charge an entry fee? Hard pass.

 

Unobstrusive ads (you know, like those old Google text and static image ads) are a decent middle ground, though the reality is that paywalls are likely coming to everywhere they can. I'd at least like to see those paywalls not lock out one time visitors but rather hold out the begging bowl once you're seen to be a repeat visitor.




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  #2698790 27-Apr-2021 15:38
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@ripdog:

 

If web publishers were serious about tackling the abuses and excesses of the web tracking and advertising monstrosity, we'd have some kind of micropayment system by now. Ideally, one which solves the biggest problem with micropayments - the purchase decision. Ideally would be a fixed fee which my browser splits between the websites I view automatically and privately, meaning I don't have to worry about deciding to spend money on each link I click.

 

 

And that's what Brave does. You load some amount to your account every month and that is automatically distributed amongst the sites you visit. But guessing from how much money I get from Brave every month (single digits dollars) you would know people aren't doing it - first because it is a niche browser, second because people just don't put money into these things.





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  #2699120 28-Apr-2021 10:08
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And that's what Brave does. You load some amount to your account every month and that is automatically distributed amongst the sites you visit. But guessing from how much money I get from Brave every month (single digits dollars) you would know people aren't doing it - first because it is a niche browser, second because people just don't put money into these things.

 

 

Not quite. Brave shows ads to people who opt in, and watching those ads gives crypto in the form of the Basic Attention Token (BAT) to the users, who can then choose to distribute those BAT to website owners (creators). It's not automatically distributed, and the user doesn't load money - they have to opt in to yet more ads (almost all of them for crypto related things) in the form of system notifications and more popup windows (because it's separate from the browsing experience, apparently). Not surprising that there isn't more uptake, Brave couldn't have designed a worse model if they tried.




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  #2699127 28-Apr-2021 10:24
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freitasm:

 

And that's what Brave does. You load some amount to your account every month and that is automatically distributed amongst the sites you visit. But guessing from how much money I get from Brave every month (single digits dollars) you would know people aren't doing it - first because it is a niche browser, second because people just don't put money into these things.

 

 

Not quite. Brave shows ads to people who opt in, and watching those ads gives crypto in the form of the Basic Attention Token (BAT) to the users, who can then choose to distribute those BAT to website owners (creators). It's not automatically distributed, and the user doesn't load money - they have to opt in to yet more ads (almost all of them for crypto related things) in the form of system notifications and more popup windows (because it's separate from the browsing experience, apparently). Not surprising that there isn't more uptake, Brave couldn't have designed a worse model if they tried.

 

 

Brave shows some ads to people who opt-in but you can also load your wallet via a crypto exchange. Let me know how many people will do that...

 

How do I fund my Brave Wallet?

 

- You can opt-in to Brave Ads and earn BAT
- You can also connect your Browser Wallet to the Uphold Wallet and fund it via Uphold; Via Uphold you can use other crypto currencies or fiat to fund your Wallet

 

 





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  #2699298 28-Apr-2021 17:49
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Brave shows some ads to people who opt-in but you can also load your wallet via a crypto exchange. Let me know how many people will do that...

 

How do I fund my Brave Wallet?

 

- You can opt-in to Brave Ads and earn BAT
- You can also connect your Browser Wallet to the Uphold Wallet and fund it via Uphold; Via Uphold you can use other crypto currencies or fiat to fund your Wallet

 

 

Ah sorry, I must admit I did not see that FAQ. Unfortunately there's even more impediments to adoption there- you can't fund by bank account in Australia or New Zealand where I assume a lot of Geekzone's visitors come from, and a lot of banks these days deny transactions to crypto related companies like Uphold via debit cards, and the 4% fee is truly usurious.

 

I like the concept of Brave Rewards, where it uses something intermediary (the BAT) so that they don't require a centralised entity to have access to people's browsing activity, but it does make it very complicated and probably outside of the comfort level of an average user.


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  #2699304 28-Apr-2021 18:20
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Exactly. And that's why the only way to fund Geekzone currently is via advertising. Even subscription doesn't have an uptake that would support Geekzone running.





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