Disappearing glaze on dinnerware - suspected as dishwasher related

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robjg63

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#3251263 20-Jun-2024 19:38

My wife worked with someone who was telling her about her husbands terrible problem with skin irritation.
It had developed over several months and he started seeing a skin specialist.

Turned out they had started using some 'green/eco' laundry detergent (I think it was earthwise) several months before.
My wife said try persil sensitive - problem went away.

Her friend was convinced the eco product couldn't possibly be the problem because it was 'environmentally friendly.

The 'Finish' and 'Acrive' products are very good.

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#3251566 21-Jun-2024 11:27

I use the costco kirkland pod things and find them the best I have used so far since they made dishwasher stuff safe because stupid people let their kids eat it.

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#3251582 21-Jun-2024 11:53

richms:

I use the costco kirkland pod things and find them the best I have used so far since they made dishwasher stuff safe because stupid people let their kids eat it.

Although that change happened in 2007, so you've had plenty of time to grieve :).....

I'm still upset about the banning of BCF/Halon Fire extinguishers, didn't care what sort of fire it was, just use it....

Its now restricted to planes and boats...

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#3251697 21-Jun-2024 16:07

wellygary:

richms:

I use the costco kirkland pod things and find them the best I have used so far since they made dishwasher stuff safe because stupid people let their kids eat it.

Although that change happened in 2007, so you've had plenty of time to grieve :).....

I'm still upset about the banning of BCF/Halon Fire extinguishers, didn't care what sort of fire it was, just use it....

Its now restricted to planes and boats...

Off topic I know, but I still miss decent Fly Spray. Not the stuff that maybe puts them to sleep for 5 minutes.

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#3251823 22-Jun-2024 09:24

rp1790:

That YouTube video was fascinating.

He did whole series starting with this one

https://youtu.be/_rBO8neWw04?si=mVdVm4G83PlMouJp

After watching the whole video (30 minutes on dishwashing) I changed my process to putting a tablet in the container in the door and then sprinking some powder into the open receptable next to it.

Then having watched his lastest video, which really makes sense, I have decided to move away from tablets and go to all powder. This is cheaper and more effective.

Going back to the OP's points, we will never put bone china in the DW for the reasons described unless it specifically says DW safe.

And don't get me onto the topic of pre-rinsing. That particular debate in our household could be a cause of a breakup :-( [I don't think you need to]

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#3251828 22-Jun-2024 09:47

richms:

We have people at work that insist on rinsing dishes straight into the sink and putting whole rice and noodles and stuff down the sink making it block. Try to explain to them that the dishwasher is meant to deal with that and chops it before it goes down the drain and they still think that you are meant to rinse it first.

Dishwashers outside the US market with macerators or grinders aren't common. I don't know if any domestic machines on NZ market have them.

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#3251831 22-Jun-2024 10:10

I recall reading somewhere recently where someone involved in the design of dishwashers was responding to a complaint about dishwasher components not lasting as well as they used to.

Basically the dishwasher chemicals were causing the components to fail.

The reply included comments around the fact that the marketing department required less water and electricity be used (in other words to appear to be more environmentally friendly). The only way to achieve this was to use more aggressive chemicals in the washing powder and these more powerful chemicals attacked the components.

I kind of wonder that if the components are being attacked like this the same must be happening to what ever gets washed.

I also wonder how environmentally friendly the cold wash laundry powders really are.

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#3251835 22-Jun-2024 10:32

Bung:

richms:

We have people at work that insist on rinsing dishes straight into the sink and putting whole rice and noodles and stuff down the sink making it block. Try to explain to them that the dishwasher is meant to deal with that and chops it before it goes down the drain and they still think that you are meant to rinse it first.

Dishwashers outside the US market with macerators or grinders aren't common. I don't know if any domestic machines on NZ market have them.

I think what is supposed to happen is the detergent and swirling action of the water breaks down the food particles and they get trapped in the filter which you then clean regularly. Of course most people don't think about that item of regular maintenance.

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#3251840 22-Jun-2024 11:03

Filter gets the big parts but rice goes thru and the pump deals with it IME. Rice straight in the drain jams and swells more blocking it totally.

Even without a full on maserating motor the pump still deals with the rice and lumpy mashed potatoes parts. Peas stay in the screen that is easier to bin than scraping plates into the bin.

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#3251843 22-Jun-2024 11:11

trig42:

Off topic I know, but I still miss decent Fly Spray. Not the stuff that maybe puts them to sleep for 5 minutes.

I recall Flyspray from when I was a kid. You sprayed the room for a few seconds and when you came back the flies were dead.

If you sprayed at flies 'on the wing' they died too - not just give them a liitle nap (as you said).

Really makes you wonder what was in those sprays - I assume its probably not something that is legal now and it probably wasnt too good for humans or the environment.

Still - dead flies were better than sleepy/zombie flies...

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#3252021 22-Jun-2024 22:57

robjg63: I recall Flyspray from when I was a kid. You sprayed the room for a few seconds and when you came back the flies were dead.

And it's because of this that we've bred generations of flies that are resistant to even the most complex cocktail of synthetic pyrethroids and synergists that most fly sprays today contain. Nothing to do with the contents, we've just evolved flies that are resistant to most of what we can throw at them.

Try spraying the same stuff on any other insect and it's near-instant death, because they haven't evolved the way flies have.

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#3252027 23-Jun-2024 02:33

timmmay:

The series is definitely described as dishwasher safe. I checked two retailer's web sites before buying, and again this morning.

There are other possibilities outside of the dishwasher.

Is the crockery being used in a microwave? If so, then is it being overheated? We had glazes deteriorating on our fine bone china and thought it might be the dishwasher. It was our teenager roasting nuts on them.

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