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#429929 22-Jan-2011 17:14

I suspect it is also a lot to do with the social welfare system, easy availability of drugs and alcohol. Bring back 6 o'clock closing, restrict alcohol sales to restaurants only, impose life imprisonment for drug dealers not licensed by the new zealand medical council, and we should see some improvements

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#429932 22-Jan-2011 17:20

gchiu: http://www.socialreport.msd.govt.nz/people/ethnic-composition-population.html

In 1996, Maori were 15% of the population.

http://www.moh.govt.nz/moh.nsf/Files/phot_99_104/$file/phot_99_104.pdf

In 1997, of the 204 hospitalizations for injury that year on 0-14 years of age inflicted by other persons 68% were Maori kids.

NZtechfreak needs to look at statistics and not rely on personal experience which in medicine, we consider a low level of evidence.

Do we need both parents to be Maori to be classified as 'Maori kids'?

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#429933 22-Jan-2011 17:23

The test for being Maori is if you can qualify for the NZ Maori rugby team, or, if you can get preferential entry to medical school.

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#429942 22-Jan-2011 17:35

gchiu: I suspect it is also a lot to do with the social welfare system, easy availability of drugs and alcohol. Bring back 6 o'clock closing, restrict alcohol sales to restaurants only, impose life imprisonment for drug dealers not licensed by the new zealand medical council, and we should see some improvements

Dead right but in this day and age I can't see the alcohol restrictions back to 6 o'clock ever happening. I read recently that the police want pubs to close early in Queenstown at around 12am instead of 3am. Now the police would know they are the people out there trying to keep the peace at that time. But the liquor bosses want to do a research first on whether closing the pubs early will stop the violence. The research will take 6 months of tax payers money. All they have to do is maybe spend one Friday night with the police to see what is happening. Go figure!

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#429947 22-Jan-2011 17:42

I wonder how many road deaths occur in Saudi Arabia as a result of alcohol?

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#429956 22-Jan-2011 18:25

gchiu: The test for being Maori is if you can qualify for the NZ Maori rugby team, or, if you can get preferential entry to medical school.

Are you trolling ?

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#429958 22-Jan-2011 18:29

You only have to read the links where it says being Maori is a self identification thing.

But higher tests of Maori'ness is required outside of the census. I gave two examples.

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#429969 22-Jan-2011 19:18

So your mum hit your ears because of some words you said? Your mother had no right to hit you just because you called her some words. If you called the police your mother would have been arrested which may have taught your mother that child abuse is wrong. Why didn't you call the police?

Sorry to say, I couldn't disagree more. This isn't child abuse. he got exactly the right amount of punishment as he deserved, which by the sounds of he agrees with wholeheartedly. There wasn't any danger of him ending up dead and I suspect that by the time she had gotten hold of him, she was relatively calm and didn't pose anywhere near the same risk.

Children should not be disciplined when the parent is angry which now as a new parent I find incredibly much harder to say than to do :)

Law's will NOT fix this problem in NZ. The people who systemically abuse kids in NZ are not going to be deterred by the idea of prison, or punishment (Perhaps plaster their names and faces in a shame campaign).

Intensive Education is required and an understanding this problem will not go away overnight. We need to spend more money on TV Campaigns demonstrating alternative ways to handle childrens misbehavior, get the community elders (Of all ethnicities) involved.

Personally if it were me, I'd put contraceptives in the water in NZ. To have children you must complete courses and demonstrate you are fit to be a parent and then you get a 180 day dose of the anti contraceptive. It would fix a number of issues I believe though it's radical.

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#429971 22-Jan-2011 19:29

Interestingly we were just discussing the likelihood of alcohol to the general cause of violence ethic in NZ. We met a diary owner (Indian), who is selling up and returning to Delhi because of all the break in's and general violence in his area. He has been here 30 years.

I think it's sad really.

We were also discussing this positive parenting course the government is running. I think it's awesome. I think it should be mandatory for anyone on the DPB to be attended and I think an incentive should be offered to those who complete the course, as the cost to providing the incentive would be far less than the cost of investigations and healthcare for abused kids.

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#429997 22-Jan-2011 20:18

Because that was discipline. There is a fine line between discipline and abuse

+1 , if i wasnt kicked or smacked a few times i probably would have been a drop out with no future. so i am really glad i was disciplined effectively.

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#430006 22-Jan-2011 20:31

There are likely to be other just as effective ways of discipline that do not involve violence towards children. Trouble is, if you have not acquired comprehensive parenting skills, then maybe violence is the only skill you have to manage your children, especially if you too were brought up this way.

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#430009 22-Jan-2011 20:40

"I think it should be mandatory for anyone on the DPB to be attended and I think an incentive should be offered to those who complete the course, as the cost to providing the incentive would be far less than the cost of investigations and healthcare for abused kids."

Umm what you imply is that a solo parent on a benefit is a bad one or has the likelyhood of needing a course and or certificate to be considered a good parent. That is honestly a typical view for a lot of people that as one is on the benefit they choose to be this way.

For some sure the benefit is a (stupid but) lifestyle choice but others they are there because of circumstance. Take a divorced solo parent. Their partner earned a good income that supported them both and they believed the best thing was for one parent to be there for their children whilst they were young (hmm sounds like the old Warehouse adverts ..... The best thing you can spend on your kids this christmas is time,), then for some reason they become a sole parent eg marriage break up, death of their partner. You lump them in with being a bad parent and in need of a parenting course.

Abuse for a lot of people is a ingrained thing they learn from their parents during childhood. However everyone actually has the ability to turn their life around and say enough is enough then do something about it. Whether or not they choose to is a different story.

Lets take a look at one of NZ's most publicised child abuse cases where the parents, the relatives and the justice system failed miserably. The Kahui twins it was covered up by the family when someone should have fronted up on behalf of the two children and said that blah blah did it. The police could have arrested every one of the 12 family members for obstruction of justice including the parents, then they could have all been held in custody until their case was heard that one thing alone could have meant that one if not more of them could have changed their minds and confessed as to who commited such a terrible crime.

However when it comes to abuse of children it is often not taken that serious. Don't get me wrong i am not saying the police don't take it seriously but the sentences given for assault a child (even when a death occurs) can often be a lot less than what it is for a assault on a adult. If anything it should be the other way.

Also there was a previous comment saying that the government agencies don't do enough. That I also feel is rubbish. Who is it that sees these things happening first it sure as hell isn't Work and Income, The Police or CYFS it's the family members a lot of which don't do the right thing and help put a stop to it. Take a look in the mirror people and ask yourselves about what you as a individual or a group can do to stamp out abuse before laying the blame on Goverment agencies.

Before anyone asks. I am not a beneficiary, but have been one, I do not beat my children but have disciplined them and I have also reported cases of child abuse before to the authorities as I too believe the statistics are a disgrace and not just for Maori's.

New Zealanders as a whole should be ashamed of our countries high rate of child abuse.

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#430046 22-Jan-2011 22:29

Kaos36:
tombrownzz:
So your mum hit your ears because of some words you said? Your mother had no right to hit you just because you called her some words. If you called the police your mother would have been arrested which may have taught your mother that child abuse is wrong. Why didn't you call the police?

Are you for real? Back then if I called the police and told them my mum clipped me around the ears cause I called her a fat bitch they would probably say good on her & laugh.

My mother had every right to clip me round the ears. Im not damaged cause of it. The difference is I wasn't beaten I was smacked/clipped round the ears.

So what's the real reason you didn't call the police? Were you scared? Or did you really think the police would just laugh? Did you give your mother permission to clip you around the ears because if you didn't she had no right to do that to you. Do you want kids to go around hitting people because some other kids called them ugly? Free speech.

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#430049 22-Jan-2011 22:42

tombrownzz:
Kaos36:
tombrownzz:
So your mum hit your ears because of some words you said? Your mother had no right to hit you just because you called her some words. If you called the police your mother would have been arrested which may have taught your mother that child abuse is wrong. Why didn't you call the police?

Are you for real? Back then if I called the police and told them my mum clipped me around the ears cause I called her a fat bitch they would probably say good on her & laugh.

My mother had every right to clip me round the ears. Im not damaged cause of it. The difference is I wasn't beaten I was smacked/clipped round the ears.

So what's the real reason you didn't call the police? Were you scared? Or did you really think the police would just laugh? Did you give your mother permission to clip you around the ears because if you didn't she had no right to do that to you. Do you want kids to go around hitting people because some other kids called them ugly? Free speech.

He probably didn't know better at that age. Plus you cant be expecting the kids to be calling the police to dob their parents in. The parents shouldn't be abusing their kids to begin with.

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#430063 22-Jan-2011 23:35

Really, this is a techy geek form. This is so far off topic it should be locked. But, even geeks have a life, so I will give my thoughts. This is not just a maori problem, but a New Zealand problem. But you you would have your head in the sand if you didn't realize certain cultures are worse offenders. I know of no easy answer.
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