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#2976143 1-Oct-2022 23:58

@Handle9 Misunderstood, what I’m describing as building wrap is the white plastic temporary stuff they encase the entire building or house in while working from within, then after the work is finished it is removed and disposed of. I don’t mean insulation.

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#2976146 2-Oct-2022 00:03

Eva888: Handle9 Misunderstood, what I’m describing as building wrap is the white plastic temporary stuff they encase the entire building or house in while working from within, then after the work is finished it is removed and disposed of. I don’t mean insulation.

Temporary wrap is only used when retrofitting a reclad and would be less than 1% of construction projects. The vast majority of building wrap is part of the water management solution for the house and is never removed.

Any new build has the building wrap as part of the permanent installation.

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#2976148 2-Oct-2022 00:27

Canterbury?. It's prevalent still post 12yrs from quakes. High use, not only repairs but to protect other buildings in place from spray or general construction debris spillover as they construct new ones too.

There's still a large number wrapped for proofing while decisions are ongoing.

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#2976170 2-Oct-2022 08:53

Eva888: @Handle9 Misunderstood, what I’m describing as building wrap is the white plastic temporary stuff they encase the entire building or house in while working from within, then after the work is finished it is removed and disposed of. I don’t mean insulation.

what your referring to is often called house shrink wrap. its really only used on retrofits where the repair is going to take so long weather is going to be an issue. obviously there is a sizeable expense to it which most people will avoid if possible.

what doesn't help is nz building rarely uses sheathing/rab which makes it weather tight before the cladding goes on. our non-sheathed homes tend to be more exposed to the weather and require cladding before being weather tight, which takes longer.

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#2976173 2-Oct-2022 09:00

Eva888:

I cant help wondering how many single use plastic bags or stirrers or buds would the vast amount of heavy duty building wrapping be equivalent to. Then there’s the pallet wrapping of millions of pallets, I’ve never seen a pallet transported without wrapping. Millions of containers are filled with heavy plastic wrapping.

It seems like we are being told to stop using flimsy, insignificant items like stirrers and doggy poo bags while ignoring the elephant.

the shrink wrap of pallets is what holds the load on the pallet. for the small amount of plastic used its holds really well. you could use plastic strapping, but that will require a huge amount of strapping and require 1000 times more plastic. ditto with tiedowns.

do away with stuff that is not important first. pallet wrapping is critical to our transport needs of every product you have.

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#2976178 2-Oct-2022 09:25

@tweake there are paper based alternatives to plastic wrap on pallets

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#2976181 2-Oct-2022 09:49

MikeB4: @tweake there are paper based alternatives to plastic wrap on pallets

i'll have to have a look. i can't imagen paper being stretchy and clingy.

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#2976184 2-Oct-2022 10:02

MikeB4: @tweake there are paper based alternatives to plastic wrap on pallets

got a link because i cannot find any.

the closest is reusable polyester mesh system, which is pointless as you not going to get them back to reuse. everything else seams to be bubble wrap replacement (which is good) or product packaging. in fact one article explained that going to paper product packaging meant they had to go to a thicker cling film pallet wrap to stop the movement which was damaging the product. the irony of having to use more plastic when they go to less plastic packaging.

i really have my doubts that there is a strong stretchy clingy paper product out there.

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#2976186 2-Oct-2022 10:17

@tweake when I managed a distribution center we used corrigated card rolls on the pellets and then strapped them. The card is reusable, recyleable biodegradable and not prone to sweating.

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#2976204 2-Oct-2022 11:14

MikeB4: @tweake when I managed a distribution center we used corrigated card rolls on the pellets and then strapped them. The card is reusable, recyleable biodegradable and not prone to sweating.

let me guess plastic strap? probably use more plastic in the strapping than the wrapping, product depending.

the major problem with cardboard and strapping is it doesn't grip the product well (depending on product) so it shifts around and can push through. strapping tends to shift and on a lot of products you can't tighten straps without something ridged underneath it (eg it would go between the bags or crush the bags).

we do a lot of boxes, but with strapping the boxes still tend to slide out and you tend to damage the top boxes. the wrap grips everything and holds it from moving.

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#2976205 2-Oct-2022 11:18

Never experienced any issues with load moving around.

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#2976210 2-Oct-2022 11:31

MikeB4: Never experienced any issues with load moving around.

no doubt different products.

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#2976234 2-Oct-2022 13:28

That pallet wrap can be collected and recycled.

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#2976291 2-Oct-2022 14:12

Disappointed to see that plastic flowers don't feature on the banned or to be banned list.

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#2976297 2-Oct-2022 14:28

Naturally the florist interview on the news, they were seeking active replacement with a paper agency to upcycle

Not sure all of them would have an answer if no camera

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