R Plates ...ARE YOU KIDDING ME !?!?!

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#633552 31-May-2012 16:45

qwerty7:
I cannot see the point of the R plate thing

I assume most people who sit on their restricted for a number of years do not stick to the license conditions of driving hours and underage passengers anyway. So they are not going to keep an r plate up on their window.

As for tolerance, if you are not confident on the road and need an r plate to identify yourself you shouldn't have your restricted license. You should still be on your learners.?

Don't get me wrong I am young and i know everyone is not a pro driver the day they get their restricted but we cannot baby and hold people the whole way through the process, their has to be a jump somewhere.?

Maybe the pressure of other motorist makes you take it more?seriously?and get the hang of it faster?

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On a side note i wish their was an optional real driving course you could do and learn things like controlling a skid, how to regain control,?blind spots, timed on reversing into cones etc as a sort of race etc etc. In a perfect world everyone would have to do it, but that just isn't practical.?

I never did my defensive driving course, from what i hear it is good, but not that extensive.

Possibly an instant fine though if they don't have the plate on the window, and that could be issued at anytime, rather than outside the restrict drivers hours. That would help to force people to put them up. The thing is that licensing has changed over recent years, but the 'L' plates side of things hasn't been updated to reflect those changes. When I started driving, I don't think you even needed 'L' plates if you were a learner.

I do recall that there are courses that you can go on to learn those sorts of things, such as safe skidding, and there is a special car in a frame that they use. I didn't bother with the defensive driving course. When it was being done at school, it was all theory, no practical stuff, and people just did it to reduce the amount of time they had to wait to get their full.

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#633580 31-May-2012 17:52

yeah I am on restricted
I have to wait for 1 year and a half to get my full licenses....because I am under 25
not complaining, only 2 months to go then I can get my full license

R plate is ok
Kind of reminds me of the days when I still have the L plate on, I was doing 50 as usual, but still everyone behind me was trying to increase speed and driving pass my car

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#633598 31-May-2012 18:28

Talkiet: R Plates? Great idea. I don't care that some people sit on their restricted licenses for years and are probably quite competent... Anything that signals to me that a driver is likely less experienced is a good thing in my book.

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Don't like the plates, get on with getting a full license. In the mean time this gives me a heads up to be much more aware of you on the road.

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#633612 31-May-2012 18:47

gehenna: Kiwi drivers are bloody awful. Anything that adds an extra layer of accountability or enables a driver's license level to be identified at a glance is a good thing IMO

To be honest, I reckon we should just stick the ethnicity of drivers on a plate on their vehicle, then we can address every stupid stereotype all in one go!

I mean, all you folks going on about "anything that lets me be more aware and cautious around you" oh get off. I've seen drivers on learner licenses who are more careful on the road than some of the hoons on full licenses. I'm sure you also believe that all asians drive slowly, and all people over 50 should stay off the roads.

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#633619 31-May-2012 18:58

I am not entirely sure about how licensing goes in NZ...but I think I have a rough idea.

If you ask me once a driver gets their R, there should be a 1 or 2yr time limit on a R type license if you haven't applied or gone for you full license..the R should expire and you have to start over.

Where I come from you get your drivers permit and then a graduated license, couple yr process to a full drivers license. In the end if you don't apply to get your full drivers license....the process starts all over.

Blows me away when I hear how long people keep their R license. If you ask me people are just playing or perhaps abusing the system. But I guess it is perfectly legal to keep a R license?

I do think R plates is good idea....but I wonder how much of an added expense it is to produce more plates in the system.

Not entirely sure what the uproar is about the whole thing tbh? Unless a person or people with R drivers license are not entirely adhering to the rules of having an R plate.

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#633622 31-May-2012 19:07

I am going to be getting my Learners in about a month, as soon as I can. Whilst I can definitely see the benefits of a R plate, I still doubt it will help a whole lot. One of my friends went from their learners to restricted and instantly saw the difference without the L plates. He stated that drivers stopped hassling him more, less eager to pass him ect.

My opinion is neutral on the R plates though. I am getting my full asap - cars and motorsports are one of my main interests. Having to have plates on for an extra 6-12 months really doesn't bother me personally.

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#633629 31-May-2012 19:14

Phexx: I am going to be getting my Learners in about a month, as soon as I can. Whilst I can definitely see the benefits of a R plate, I still doubt it will help a whole lot. One of my friends went from their learners to restricted and instantly saw the difference without the L plates. He stated that drivers stopped hassling him more, less eager to pass him ect.

My opinion is neutral on the R plates though. I am getting my full asap - cars and motorsports are one of my main interests. Having to have plates on for an extra 6-12 months really doesn't bother me personally.

Seems to me that this is as much about just shaming people into sorting it out. Brownley did give a heads up that this is on his radar.

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#633633 31-May-2012 19:18

DonGould:
Phexx: I am going to be getting my Learners in about a month, as soon as I can. Whilst I can definitely see the benefits of a R plate, I still doubt it will help a whole lot. One of my friends went from their learners to restricted and instantly saw the difference without the L plates. He stated that drivers stopped hassling him more, less eager to pass him ect.

My opinion is neutral on the R plates though. I am getting my full asap - cars and motorsports are one of my main interests. Having to have plates on for an extra 6-12 months really doesn't bother me personally.

Seems to me that this is as much about just shaming people into sorting it out. Brownley did give a heads up that this is on his radar.

Absolutely, I have not doubt that people will be eager to get their full if they have to display some R plates.

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#633641 31-May-2012 19:31

They should make the R plates pink with a baby blue R and should be a bit bigger than the L plates.

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#633643 31-May-2012 19:36

why does this thread even exist?

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#633649 31-May-2012 19:48

davidcole:
plas: I've had my restricted for 8-9 years, never had a crash, never been pulled over and had 1 speed camera ticket. Might go get my full if they decide I need dicky R plates.

Sounds like you're the perfect reason why there should be R plates. You mean to tell me in 9 years you've never driven with a passenger?

Sir, you clearly don't know **** about NZ road rules.

A person on a Restricted License can drive with a passenger on the front pax seat that has a FULL License (for at least 2 years) between 10-5. and the pax at the back can have no license provided the front pax has a full license.

THAT is the rule. So "Plas" might have regular passengers like his GIRLFRIEND in his car all the time..but his GF might have a full license already. And also , most people don't regularly have passenger in their car. Especially not during Monday-Friday aka WORK WEEK.

know the fact before you judge and insult people. you're probably a bad driver who tailgates people and stupidly rev their engine.

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#633666 31-May-2012 20:08

They can also drive their dependents and spouses at any time. If you live on a farm you could even carry more kinds of passengers if you get certain exemptions

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#633667 31-May-2012 20:10

and to those people here who thinks it's "people like us" that makes R plates necessary. Please get real.

Big guy with sunglasses on in his late model Red Holden Commodore that was driving behind me last week. Was doing ****ING 55 km/h ....FIFTY FIVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE on Triangle Road ...a FIFTY 50 kmh ZONE.

This guy was right up my ASS, as in close enough that if i even brake a tiny bit if a cat jumps out infront of my car, his grill would've been totalled.

And as soon as I moved to the left lane in preparation to turn left onto the motorway ...i can hear his engine and the wind whizz through.

I"M SURE that dude has his full license already and have had it for years.

now you mean to tell ME that we're the ones that has to BE AWARE OF HAZARDS, SPEED LIMIT, ROAD CONDITION and road manners ? Please get real.

You know what would actually help ? More stakeout. We pay taxes for what ? for the cops to do their jobs. Put more cops out to not only check for DUIs but also more License condition violation checks.

I'm sure the guys here are mostly 25+ with a good job, have full license and are so called "expert " on driving , no fines, tickets , never crashed bla bla bla.
But if you think that getting your full license and driving like a bonehead is better than keeping your R-license for 20 years and never getting a fine,crash, and driving safely .....then i suggest you retake your license.

peace out.

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#633677 31-May-2012 20:25

plas: I've had my restricted for 8-9 years, never had a crash, never been pulled over and had 1 speed camera ticket. Might go get my full if they decide I need dicky R plates.

/me just shakes his head..

REALLY?!?! THIS "dicky" plate would make you get your license?

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#633681 31-May-2012 20:29

I have to agree with the OP on this one, I personally pay absolutely no attention to an 'L' plate due to the fact that EVERY other road user is a potential hazard.

And while I'm on the topic I have personally never understood the 'no passengers' rule. How do passengers make a person a worse driver. Now a lot of you are probably going to say that they can be a distraction, yet that same person can carry a dog in their car if they wish.

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