bakewells5856: i wonder how this guy would react if someone was to show him this thread

blakamin:
Love the people saying "get a job that pays overtime". You know how many places in NZ pay overtime? Sweet FA.

minimoke:

MaxLV:

minimoke: OK, say this guy did a 40 hour week on $14.40. That’s $30,000 a year.   Thanks to the largesse of the taxpayer he’ll get around $6,000 off his tax bill once his missus drops the kid and he’s eligible for WWF.   Say his pay went from $14.40 - $18.40 for a 40 hour week. That’s around $8,000 gross or around $6,000 net.   So at this point he can either bludge off the Wellington Ratepayer or the NZ Tax Payer for roughly the same net gain. Obviously the more he earns the less the ratepayer has to subsidize him and the less WWF would be available.   However where the Living Wage falls down is that he can get around $100 a week Accommodation Supplement through WWF.   So I can only conclude that the Wellington Councilors are twits, and so are the ratepayers who vote for them. It seems the Council is simply shifting the burden of supplementary wage / accommodation benefits off the NZ taxpayer onto the Wellington ratepayer. Since I’m not in Wellington – well done Wellington!

Yeah we get it/you. You dont believe those worse off than yourself have any right to live like you do....  

Sorry, MaxLV for taking so long to get back to your post. It was a near mortal wound and has certainly left me emotionally scarred for at least a nano second. Given the tone of your response I’ve relooked at my posts to see what it could possibly be in them that warranted such a response from you. Please correct me if I am wrong but
-       you seem to think that it is OK for a person with little or no education with little or no work experience to expect a wage higher than the market for such a person is prepared to pay.
-       You seem to think such a person is “entitled” to $18.40 no matter what while I think that person who has worked his way up to $18.40 has actually earnt that reward
-       You seem to think it is OK for the tax payer to subsidise a persons smoking because they can’t earn enough to feed their own addiction.
-       You seem to think it is Ok for a person who can’t afford to raise a family should be subsided by the tax payer to breed.
-       You seem to think it is OK for the Wellington Council to exploit it workers by getting them to work 68 hours a week without overtime pay.
-       You seem to think it is OK for the City Council to shift a tax burden from the NZ Tax payer to the local rate payer. OK – I’m happy with that one.

I make no apologies for disagreeing with you.

Have you thought for a moment that by increasing the wage rate to $18.40 the Wellington Council is going to have to raise rates to pay for this. Have you considered for a moment that lansdlords will need to put up their rents to pay for the increase in rates. Where is that going to leave our poor bleeding heart?

I’ve got a job going here which pays more than $14.40 but do you think I’d hire this guy. No show. Because he has a mentality of “entitlement” Its all about “Woe is me, someone else can pay for my decisions and because I am poor I am entitled” Sorry that attitude doesn’t cut it for me. He might have a good work ethic by turning up 68 hours a week but he has poor judgment by voicing his issues so publicly. Though I suspect he is being exploited by those communists who prefer to shift the wealth from those who have earnt it to those that didn’t.

Inphinity:

Johnk:
To add to the above, I started bringing up a family of four in Auckland on 55k closer to 65k now, sure that's a struggle, but we make do.
But I'm thankful for the small bit the govt does with WFF to help ends meet.

If I want to earn more money I know that I need to either retrain, up skill, or start my own business up ( I work in the construction industry)

Likewise, it wasn't many years ago we were managing in Auckland with 3 on just over 50k. 

freitasm: Folks talking about WCC and parking wardens forget those are actually employee of a private company providing a service to the council so I don't understand your views that the council is doing something wrong in terms of pay (besides using parking as a money making scheme).

The minimum wage (it's what we're talking about here) is not a market set wage. They Government set's it.
And yes I do believe working New Zealanders should get a living wage of at least $18.40 p/h. And employers should be paying it, not the government through things like WFF, Work start, etc.  Why don't you?

What you think about low paid workers getting a living wage of $18.40 P/h has been obvious from the start. Why you think that way is for you to explain and justify, not me.

The IRD rakes in a hell of a lot of tax from those smokers, 70% of the price of a packet of cigarettes is tax. That's hardly subsidising a persons smoking habit.
Of the approximate $1.6 billion per year retail spending on tobacco products, approximately 70% is accounted for by taxation, including GST as well as tobacco taxes.
http://smokefree.org.nz/costs-smoking 

Working for Families, ever heard of it? More importantly do YOU collect for your kids. It's just a subsidy to employers, but hey it's money in the hand for parents who work 68 hours a week, for taking care of their kids.

I'd much rather employers paid their employees with kids a living wage so those employees didn't have to get WFF, but we all know that aint going to happen dont we.

You have just told me that the WCC should be paying their workers overtime, now you're complaining about the WCC increasing rates, or the government increasing taxes...  

You go on about a 'mentality of entitlement' yet your posts clearly show you think you're entitled to voice your opinions, but say "he has poor judgment by voicing his issues so publicly."  Talk about feeling 'entitled'.... SHEESH.

macuser: What are you all on about, on his Facebook he just looks like a normal happy young engaged guy, I don't see new cars or flat screen TVs...I'm getting pretty sick of all these BS posts by you Klipspringer, this is a forum about technology and the industry surrounding it, not these bigoted opinions about the lazy blacks and socialists which you are pretty consistent in bringing our attention to. There is always room on this forum to discus issues in our community but the relentlessness you express your non constructive opinions is pretty ridiculous. I think your constant posts are negatively effecting the tone of this website, which is one of the best online communities I participate in.

MaxLV:

Inphinity:

Johnk:
To add to the above, I started bringing up a family of four in Auckland on 55k closer to 65k now, sure that's a struggle, but we make do.
But I'm thankful for the small bit the govt does with WFF to help ends meet.

If I want to earn more money I know that I need to either retrain, up skill, or start my own business up ( I work in the construction industry)

Likewise, it wasn't many years ago we were managing in Auckland with 3 on just over 50k. 

Some people believe you shouldn't (be allowed) have kids until you can 'afford' them. Like kid's are something you go out and buy somewhere with your discretionary $$$.

MaxLV: 

The minimum wage (it's what we're talking about here) is not a market set wage. They Government set's it.
And yes I do believe working New Zealanders should get a living wage of at least $18.40 p/h. And employers should be paying it, not the government through things like WFF, Work start, etc.  Why dont you?

What you think about low paid workers getting a living wage of $18.40 P/h has been obvious from the start. Why you think that way is for you to explain and justify, not me.

Inphinity:

MaxLV: 

The minimum wage (it's what we're talking about here) is not a market set wage. They Government set's it.
And yes I do believe working New Zealanders should get a living wage of at least $18.40 p/h. And employers should be paying it, not the government through things like WFF, Work start, etc.  Why dont you?

What you think about low paid workers getting a living wage of $18.40 P/h has been obvious from the start. Why you think that way is for you to explain and justify, not me.

It's not as simple as "Just up the minimum wage and she'll be right!", though. You want a ~34% increase to the minimum wage? Are you happy with the accompanying reduction in minimum-wage positions, and the impact on the portion of people who were in between the previous minimum and the new minimum, most of whom will get no relative increase, and thus will now be minimum wage (and, as such, worse off then previous relative to the labour market)? What about the increase in prices that will occur because of the increased costs to employers? How about those on an unemployment or other benefit, do they get an equivalent increase? How many people will end up worse off, because their employer had to lay 10% of their minimum-wage staff off due to the cost increase, and those people are now on a benefit that pays them less than they got when they were working for the old minimum?

Heck, if it was as simple as "set the minimum wage and there'll be negative impacts", I'd love to see it happen. But, especially with such a large proportionate jump, there are a LOT of factors to consider, and quite honestly I'm not convinced that many of the people supporting this figure have taken them in to account.

minimoke:

The minimum wage (it's what we're talking about here) is not a market set wage. They Government set's it.
And yes I do believe working New Zealanders should get a living wage of at least $18.40 p/h. And employers should be paying it, not the government through things like WFF, Work start, etc.  Why don't you?

This guy is gettign paid more than teh minimum wage - he is being paid market rates. I pay more than $14.40 and less than $18.40 and I know my people can live off that. So where does the magical $18.40 come from? Incidentally I also don't think there should be a WWF, nor paid parental leave and its ilk. WWF is simply a vote winning tax redistribution - but I'll stray off topic by going on more about that.

freitasm: Folks talking about WCC and parking wardens forget those are actually employee of a private company providing a service to the council so I don't understand your views that the council is doing something wrong in terms of pay (besides using parking as a money making scheme).