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#1265381 22-Mar-2015 23:43

Glassboy:
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What we have is too many unskilled people for the available resources. You need to reduce the people and concentrate on getting the right sort. Supporting humans in a society that are unable to contribute usefully is an illogical and expensive exercise.

I love the way you're demonstrating you're a worthwhile human being, and should be part of a civil society. Bravo.

The problem is without touching near godwin or other nasty sides of present and prior history is... You have to deal with them at some point as they are continuing to breed.

Without doing something to break the cycle then the cycle will continue and continue to escalate.

Feeding kids in school, I know it won't fix the problem. But doing what we are currently doing isn't helping much either, only seems to be getting worse from what I can see if the average number of homeless on the street I see day to day is anything to go by. But if an investment of $10k in feeding the poor saves one bed in prison, to me that's a pretty good ROI.

I think it's a very very sad indictment on our society that Kidscan even need to exist in a country where our principal source of income is exporting food.

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#1265399 23-Mar-2015 06:35

TimA: Never have this issue on the North Shore of Auckland.
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yea because there are no train stations :)

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#1265427 23-Mar-2015 08:16

Geektastic:
frankv:
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Whilst I am not sure I agree entirely that nothing can be done -and more or less all crime is random to some degree - I do agree that the problem extends beyond the police and into the judiciary and the politicians. The former for being far too lenient within the law and the latter for being far too lenient when framing laws in terms of what punishments are available.

Whilst I tend to agree that sentences are too light, I think a large part of the problem is that we nowadays have far too people who perceive (often correctly) that they have nothing to lose.

If you're living in a squalid overcrowded home with no job and no prospects, there's little deterrent from "If you do something bad, we'll make you go to a place where the walls aren't mouldy and you have to share your room with one other person, and you get all your needs looked after."

What we have is too many unskilled people for the available resources. You need to reduce the people and concentrate on getting the right sort. Supporting humans in a society that are unable to contribute usefully is an illogical and expensive exercise.

Does that include the elderly, the disabled, the very young? I appreciate you are feeling aggrieved but this comment by you is disgraceful.

This thread has reached it's inevitable nadir.

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#1265482 23-Mar-2015 09:24

Geektastic: What we have is too many unskilled people for the available resources. You need to reduce the people and concentrate on getting the right sort. Supporting humans in a society that are unable to contribute usefully is an illogical and expensive exercise.

I have 2 associate degrees, a diploma, 3 national certificates, all in useful areas; electrical trade qualifications; every licence/endorsement including pilot except class 5 and I/O endorsements; I'm slim/strong/fit/healthy... but have spent the last decade yo-yoing on and off the unemployment benefit, I got a box at home (the boxes 5 reams of paper come in) nearly full to the top with rejection letters from the past 3 years.

In the days when it was a simple as I saw a job advertised, called the manager and arranged an interview myself, and turned up, I had a 100% success rate, but in today's society of CVs and references, and following proper procedure and "doing it online", I quite frequently am told that I was competing with 50 to 200 other applicants.

So I don't think being unskilled is the problem. I'm skilled and I don't stand a chance.

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#1265508 23-Mar-2015 09:52

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Geektastic: What we have is too many unskilled people for the available resources. You need to reduce the people and concentrate on getting the right sort. Supporting humans in a society that are unable to contribute usefully is an illogical and expensive exercise.

I have 2 associate degrees, a diploma, 3 national certificates, all in useful areas; electrical trade qualifications; every licence/endorsement including pilot except class 5 and I/O endorsements; I'm slim/strong/fit/healthy... but have spent the last decade yo-yoing on and off the unemployment benefit, I got a box at home (the boxes 5 reams of paper come in) nearly full to the top with rejection letters from the past 3 years.

In the days when it was a simple as I saw a job advertised, called the manager and arranged an interview myself, and turned up, I had a 100% success rate, but in today's society of CVs and references, and following proper procedure and "doing it online", I quite frequently am told that I was competing with 50 to 200 other applicants.

So I don't think being unskilled is the problem. I'm skilled and I don't stand a chance.

Is that restricted to NZ or worldwide?

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#1265513 23-Mar-2015 09:53

KiwiNZ:
Geektastic:
frankv:
Geektastic:

Whilst I am not sure I agree entirely that nothing can be done -and more or less all crime is random to some degree - I do agree that the problem extends beyond the police and into the judiciary and the politicians. The former for being far too lenient within the law and the latter for being far too lenient when framing laws in terms of what punishments are available.

Whilst I tend to agree that sentences are too light, I think a large part of the problem is that we nowadays have far too people who perceive (often correctly) that they have nothing to lose.

If you're living in a squalid overcrowded home with no job and no prospects, there's little deterrent from "If you do something bad, we'll make you go to a place where the walls aren't mouldy and you have to share your room with one other person, and you get all your needs looked after."

What we have is too many unskilled people for the available resources. You need to reduce the people and concentrate on getting the right sort. Supporting humans in a society that are unable to contribute usefully is an illogical and expensive exercise.

Does that include the elderly, the disabled, the very young? I appreciate you are feeling aggrieved but this comment by you is disgraceful.

This thread has reached it's inevitable nadir.

So you say. I disagree.

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#1265517 23-Mar-2015 09:59

Glassboy:
Geektastic:

What we have is too many unskilled people for the available resources. You need to reduce the people and concentrate on getting the right sort. Supporting humans in a society that are unable to contribute usefully is an illogical and expensive exercise.

I love the way you're demonstrating you're a worthwhile human being, and should be part of a civil society. Bravo.

I pay (large amounts of) tax, employ people, do not steal and have never claimed benefits in 47 years other than for health, which I have most certainly paid for.

My place in civil society is of such a small footprint compared to the sorts of criminals who cause the problem under discussion as to be almost unmeasurable.

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#1265526 23-Mar-2015 10:01

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Glassboy:
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What we have is too many unskilled people for the available resources. You need to reduce the people and concentrate on getting the right sort. Supporting humans in a society that are unable to contribute usefully is an illogical and expensive exercise.

I love the way you're demonstrating you're a worthwhile human being, and should be part of a civil society. Bravo.

The problem is without touching near godwin or other nasty sides of present and prior history is... You have to deal with them at some point as they are continuing to breed.

Without doing something to break the cycle then the cycle will continue and continue to escalate.

Feeding kids in school, I know it won't fix the problem. But doing what we are currently doing isn't helping much either, only seems to be getting worse from what I can see if the average number of homeless on the street I see day to day is anything to go by. But if an investment of $10k in feeding the poor saves one bed in prison, to me that's a pretty good ROI.

I think it's a very very sad indictment on our society that Kidscan even need to exist in a country where our principal source of income is exporting food.

By logical extension, if you reduce the population in that demographic and increase it in more productive ones it will have a greater effect still.

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#1265530 23-Mar-2015 10:02

IlDuce:
Geektastic: What we have is too many unskilled people for the available resources. You need to reduce the people and concentrate on getting the right sort. Supporting humans in a society that are unable to contribute usefully is an illogical and expensive exercise.

I have 2 associate degrees, a diploma, 3 national certificates, all in useful areas; electrical trade qualifications; every licence/endorsement including pilot except class 5 and I/O endorsements; I'm slim/strong/fit/healthy... but have spent the last decade yo-yoing on and off the unemployment benefit, I got a box at home (the boxes 5 reams of paper come in) nearly full to the top with rejection letters from the past 3 years.

In the days when it was a simple as I saw a job advertised, called the manager and arranged an interview myself, and turned up, I had a 100% success rate, but in today's society of CVs and references, and following proper procedure and "doing it online", I quite frequently am told that I was competing with 50 to 200 other applicants.

So I don't think being unskilled is the problem. I'm skilled and I don't stand a chance.

I'm untrained but skilled. I'm the least desirable, but I put on a smile anyway and then talk to the important people, rather than the PA if that makes sense. Feel free to PM me with the jobs you have been applying for and your CV if you like. Always keen to help out.

Sorry to hear about your Pajero! I never liked parking at train stations. Scum bags stole a classic MR2 off of a friend of mine recently. :(
Good luck with getting the person responsible.

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#1265554 23-Mar-2015 10:22

man these threads go off topic really quickly.

In short: unemployment, crime, homelessness and poverty are incredibly complex, interconnected issues. There is no quick fix.

Sorry to hear about your Pajero, crime certainly does suck.

Getting on your soapbox and denouncing the useless unemployed by using unresearched opinion and anecdotes is not a constructive approach to the issue.

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#1265595 23-Mar-2015 11:26

to be come superior/great by definition someone has to be lesser. if everyone was a CEO there will be no workers.

if you obliterate everyone inferior to the CEO then you also have no workers.

criminal behaviour, on the other hand, starts from a deprived social background. the more poverty and/or broken family, the more criminals your country would produce. how to solve? make everyone have jobs, so they can afford not to be impoverished. that leaves broken families.

now, if you want to obliterate "criminals", perhaps start looking from the inside. have you EVER done any of these:
- drove 1km/h above the speed limit at ANY time in your life
- downloaded something so called illegally by accident or otherwise
- made a copy of something illegally by accident or otherwise
- committed domestic altercation
- took someone else's thing unintentionally or otherwise, eg a pen
- etc

should you jump off the bridge coz you are also a crim? or do crims have different levels of crim-ness?

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#1265603 23-Mar-2015 11:31

frankv: So if the thieves pay $5 per week, you might get $2 a week.

That's before the tax man comes, probably see it as a second income and charge secondary tax rate too.. so maybe .50c a fortnight? :)

Bummer about your car, I keep a big bamboo stick by my front door.
Car's always parked close to my bedroom.. looking forward to using my ninja skills on them one day.. ;)

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#1265615 23-Mar-2015 11:40

HcoNmeM:
frankv: So if the thieves pay $5 per week, you might get $2 a week.

That's before the tax man comes, probably see it as a second income and charge secondary tax rate too.. so maybe .50c a fortnight? :)

To be fair to the tax man... he does not treat reparations received as income, so no tax to pay.

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#1265618 23-Mar-2015 11:42

frankv: To be fair to the tax man...

LOL.. that has to be the first time I've ever read/heard that.. :)
+1

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#1265634 23-Mar-2015 11:57

frankv:
HcoNmeM:
frankv: So if the thieves pay $5 per week, you might get $2 a week.

That's before the tax man comes, probably see it as a second income and charge secondary tax rate too.. so maybe .50c a fortnight? :)

To be fair to the tax man... he does not treat reparations received as income, so no tax to pay.

No tax to pay. But stuff like court costs, lawyers fees, accounting fees, other administration costs...etc are all taken out of your slice.

I lost thousands of dollars worth of laptops. The thief was caught, but we have to wait out his 6 month prison term first, before he has the opportunity to pay us back out of his benefit. Justice.

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