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#423937 4-Jan-2011 13:53

speed + (something else) = common cause of crashes... usually inability to drive, drinking, drugs, fatigue, morons, etc...

In 10 years of living in NZ I have been breathalised 5 times. If this was in Victoria, it would have been weekly.
In 10 years of living in NZ I have seen one person done for impeding the flow of traffic (70 in a 100 zone and this was because they were weaving all over the road and hitting cones, but weren't under the influence). If this was Victoria, they'd be doing people daily.
I've never seen someone done for failing to keep left on a double lane road where signs (red-bordered) say "keep left unless overtaking".

New Zealands attitude to road safety is a joke!
Also bear in mind I can spend up to to 14hrs a day on the road, as I drive for a living, and I see more f^%*'n idiots in a world of their own, driving under the speed limit, not even beginning to look in a mirror, let alone give a flying stuff about any other road user than people speeding.

tardtasticx: Maybe when you've been driving longer than 2 years you'll realise that some of the stuff you've spouted is BS. Driving like my nanna doesn't mean you're a "safer" driver than anyone here. I'd rather get in a car with Talkiet than you anyday!

Tell me why are there speed cameras on straight, 2 lane motorways if it isn't revenue gathering?

PS: I've been driving 24 years, have had no accidents and 2 speeding tickets: 111 on the desert road by an actual police car after overtaking a truck
and 111 on Raumati straight by a camera van as I was about to overtake a bus. One of these roads was dead straight, single lane and the other is dead straight, 2 lane with concrete median.
Both of these were in a car... Why am I not dead? Experience, awareness, common sense, concentration, lack of drink, lack of drugs and lack of stupidity.
Unfortunately these days I have to spend more time looking at my speedo than I do at the road.

BTW, it sucks about the radar thing. (I don't use one)

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#423942 4-Jan-2011 14:15

blakamin:

Tell me why are there speed cameras on straight, 2 lane motorways if it isn't revenue gathering?

I could repeat myself several times, but I won't. The idea that it is solely revenue gathering just does not add up. One of the main reasons you get it on those nice and wide dead straight roads, is being a visual deterrent to those wanting to speed.
They do look at a range of statistics when deploying a speed camera van, it is not random. If people speed, and get caught, then it can make it appear like its revenue gathering. Based on your 2 lane motorway with concrete barrier, if everyone stuck to the speed limit, you would see the vans a lot less on those roads. Just because you cannot 'easily' get into the oncoming lane, does not mean people will drive more safely.

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#423945 4-Jan-2011 14:39

personally I think they (the GOVT) should make driver ed a part of High School education and for the first 2 years of having drivers license your car should be mandatorily governed to 100KPH get caught going over that or speeding in the 50 or 70 k areas it's a loss of license impound and crushing of your car while your made to watch

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#423946 4-Jan-2011 14:44

rscole86:
blakamin:

Tell me why are there speed cameras on straight, 2 lane motorways if it isn't revenue gathering?

I could repeat myself several times, but I won't. The idea that it is solely revenue gathering just does not add up. One of the main reasons you get it on those nice and wide dead straight roads, is being a visual deterrent to those wanting to speed.

So parking a dark green van behind and between dark green bushes on the edge of 2 lane SH1 is a visual deterrent? Only if you have infrared vision and a bloody helicopter!

And I cant remember the last time there was a fatal on that bit of road... The last "Accident" involved fatigue and someone running into the back of a Fulton Hogan truck with flashing orange lights, strobes and the barrier on the rear. that was a coupla years ago! And they weren't speeding!

Athlonite:
...your car should be mandatorily governed to 100KPH

That is probably one of the most dangerous suggestions ever. Have you never needed to do more than 100kph in your life to avoid a moron/idiot who "didn't see you"?

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#423962 4-Jan-2011 15:59

tardtasticx: [snipped earlier emails]

No, I didn't word it wrong. Your reaction times ARE reduced when traveling at high speeds. Do you think you will be able to react to a car pulling out of a driveway in the same time going 80 instead of the legal 50?

The speed limits are there for a reason people. If you don't like them, then don't drive. Its pretty damn simple. Me being a restricted driver, nearly on my full, I think I drive considerably safer than most 16 year olds, and from the sound of the responses in this thread, I think I drive safer than quite a lot of you older folk out there.. Quite a lot of my mates have been pulled over for speeding. I haven't even gotten close to a parking fine.

And you also say people who think speeding is dangerous, are more dangerous drivers? If you think speeding is right and its your right to break the speed limit which is put there to protect people, then you basically think you're above the law and I think you should be banned from driving. I'm not saying that speeding is the only factor in crashes. I never did. But speed is one of the most common causes of crashes.

You're wrong in so many ways it's not worth continuing this discussion with you here.

You say you're still on a restricted license and you're arguing with people that have 2 decades of safe driving experience behind them - as well as some advanced driver training and racing experience?

I've been driving safely for longer than you have been alive.

You're also failing at some basic logic in attributing some assumptions to me about my values and how I think - I'm not going to point out what they are, it would be a good exercise to work it out yourself.

I'm afraid you are simply not experienced enough to state that speed is one of the most common causes of crashes. Sure, that's what the media and the police tell you - but it's not bourne out by detailed analysis - however most people simply wouldn't understand the detailed analysis so they go for the extremely oversimplified statements to get a point across.

The problem is that many people hear only "speed is dangerous" and often interpret this further as "driving at or under the speed limit is safe".

Good luck on the roads.

Cheers - N

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#423963 4-Jan-2011 16:01

It's funny how these debates pop up every few months or so.

One thing you can't argue with is that there have been plenty of studies from around the world that show if you can lower the average speed of vehicles on the road you lower the number of fatalities.

So for those that argue that speed isn't the issue I don't accept that entirely.

Remember also that everyone is a 'safe' driver at 120km on a nice stretch of road until there is an emergency. Unless you have trained in emergency stops and avoiding obstacles at 100km plus you really don't know how you will react. How many can honestly say they have gone out on a deserted road and slammed the anchors on at 100km? Virtually nobody.

With regards to users of speed detectors claiming it makes them drive safer this is a load of rubbish as well.These days it's probably cheaper to purchase a GPS unit which can sound alarms if you exceed the limit by a preset amount. Speed detectors are only purchased by those that either want to try and avoid getting tickets as they speed on a regular basis or if you are bit younger maybe want to have one on the dash to look the part.

Most people don't need a speed detector to remind themselves to slow down, why do you need one?

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#423964 4-Jan-2011 16:06

Nokia2012: Yes the only one that is good at detecting them with advanced warning is the Escort Redline Radar detector.

Has anyone else had any good experience with this model? I need to replace my aged Beltronic radar, and it's been a long time since I've had to do any research, plus I'm lazy.

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#423982 4-Jan-2011 17:19

rscole86:
blakamin:

Tell me why are there speed cameras on straight, 2 lane motorways if it isn't revenue gathering?

I could repeat myself several times, but I won't. The idea that it is solely revenue gathering just does not add up. One of the main reasons you get it on those nice and wide dead straight roads, is being a visual deterrent to those wanting to speed.

They do look at a range of statistics when deploying a speed camera van, it is not random. If people speed, and get caught, then it can make it appear like its revenue gathering. Based on your 2 lane motorway with concrete barrier, if everyone stuck to the speed limit, you would see the vans a lot less on those roads. Just because you cannot 'easily' get into the oncoming lane, does not mean people will drive more safely.

And if every one did the speed limit and the camera vans vanished and the revenue stream dried up do you thing for one second that Officer Dibble would be happy with that?? No way. There would be other creative ways of revenue gathering like blocking on/off ramps every day and going over cars with a fine tooth comb, Random check points every where etc..

Regards,

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#423991 4-Jan-2011 17:39

old3eyes:
rscole86:
blakamin:

Tell me why are there speed cameras on straight, 2 lane motorways if it isn't revenue gathering?

I could repeat myself several times, but I won't. The idea that it is solely revenue gathering just does not add up. One of the main reasons you get it on those nice and wide dead straight roads, is being a visual deterrent to those wanting to speed.

They do look at a range of statistics when deploying a speed camera van, it is not random. If people speed, and get caught, then it can make it appear like its revenue gathering. Based on your 2 lane motorway with concrete barrier, if everyone stuck to the speed limit, you would see the vans a lot less on those roads. Just because you cannot 'easily' get into the oncoming lane, does not mean people will drive more safely.

And if every one did the speed limit and the camera vans vanished and the revenue stream dried up do you thing for one second that Officer Dibble would be happy with that?? No way. There would be other creative ways of revenue gathering like blocking on/off ramps every day and going over cars with a fine tooth comb, Random check points every where etc..

Don't forget the police don't see a cent of any money from tickets, it all goes into the government consolidated fund so "Officer Dibble" probably couldn't care less about gathering revenue. In fact I think if you actually spoke to a number of officers you would find the vast majority would support other forms of punishment rather than monetary measures.

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Talkiet:
tardtasticx: [snipped earlier emails]

No, I didn't word it wrong. Your reaction times ARE reduced when traveling at high speeds. Do you think you will be able to react to a car pulling out of a driveway in the same time going 80 instead of the legal 50?

The speed limits are there for a reason people. If you don't like them, then don't drive. Its pretty damn simple. Me being a restricted driver, nearly on my full, I think I drive considerably safer than most 16 year olds, and from the sound of the responses in this thread, I think I drive safer than quite a lot of you older folk out there.. Quite a lot of my mates have been pulled over for speeding. I haven't even gotten close to a parking fine.

And you also say people who think speeding is dangerous, are more dangerous drivers? If you think speeding is right and its your right to break the speed limit which is put there to protect people, then you basically think you're above the law and I think you should be banned from driving. I'm not saying that speeding is the only factor in crashes. I never did. But speed is one of the most common causes of crashes.

You're wrong in so many ways it's not worth continuing this discussion with you here.

You say you're still on a restricted license and you're arguing with people that have 2 decades of safe driving experience behind them - as well as some advanced driver training and racing experience?

I've been driving safely for longer than you have been alive.

You're also failing at some basic logic in attributing some assumptions to me about my values and how I think - I'm not going to point out what they are, it would be a good exercise to work it out yourself.

I'm afraid you are simply not experienced enough to state that speed is one of the most common causes of crashes. Sure, that's what the media and the police tell you - but it's not bourne out by detailed analysis - however most people simply wouldn't understand the detailed analysis so they go for the extremely oversimplified statements to get a point across.

The problem is that many people hear only "speed is dangerous" and often interpret this further as "driving at or under the speed limit is safe".

Good luck on the roads.

Cheers - N

Yeh well, you can think that, but the simple fact is, if you hit someone because they were going slow, its your fault. If you hit someone because you went to fast, its your fault. When you drive every day for many years, you pick up bad habits, clearly you have. The info is fresh in my mind thats why I think I'm a safer driver than you. You can keep trying to prove your point that speeding is right, but the simple fact is, it isn't. Like I said, the speed signs are there for a reason, and you need to follow them because its a legal requirement, not a choice.

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#424060 4-Jan-2011 21:30

[feel good]

Idiot driver on a Subaru just south of Dannevirke today was roaring down on me but couldn't pass on the corners... I then noticed a second Subaru, same colours coming just after him. Obviously racing each other on the road.

On a passing lane I went first and pulled to the left. The first Subaru passed, but the second one had to push me over to the shoulder because the idiotard ran out of passing lane and he couldn't bear being without his man ;)

A couple of kms later I saw a police car and stopped to let him know - including plate numbers and exactly where it happened, since my wife took note of everything.

I really hope these idiots get what they deserve.

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#424083 4-Jan-2011 22:29

freitasm: [feel good]

Idiot driver on a Subaru just south of Dannevirke today was roaring down on me but couldn't pass on the corners... I then noticed a second Subaru, same colours coming just after him. Obviously racing each other on the road.

On a passing lane I went first and pulled to the left. The first Subaru passed, but the second one had to push me over to the shoulder because the idiotard ran out of passing lane and he couldn't bear being without his man ;)

A couple of kms later I saw a police car and stopped to let him know - including plate numbers and exactly where it happened, since my wife took note of everything.

I really hope these idiots get what they deserve.

Nice... I really detest dangerous driving as well and it's good to hear that occasionally there's some swift justice :-)

Cheers - N

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#424086 4-Jan-2011 22:43

tardtasticx: [snip]

Yeh well, you can think that, but the simple fact is, if you hit someone because they were going slow, its your fault. If you hit someone because you went to fast, its your fault. When you drive every day for many years, you pick up bad habits, clearly you have. The info is fresh in my mind thats why I think I'm a safer driver than you. You can keep trying to prove your point that speeding is right, but the simple fact is, it isn't. Like I said, the speed signs are there for a reason, and you need to follow them because its a legal requirement, not a choice.

If 20 years of accident free motoring and advocating a holistic approach to road safety means I have picked up bad habits, then yeah, I'll take that label.

You'll note that I haven't advocated speeding anywhere, but I've been advocating driving safely, and not relying just on some arbitrary easy to quantify metrics instead.

I challenge anyone on these boards to accept that a 39 year old driver with no accidents, motorsport experience and 4 small speeding offenses over the years is a less safe driver than a 16 year old male on a restricted license.

The speed signs are there for a reason, they are ONE INPUT into what constitutes a safe speed for a given section of road. They also indicate the legal speed limit for that road.

I'm not putting down your respect for the law or the speed limits - it's to be applauded, especially for a 16 year old male... But please don't fall into the trap of believing that driving the speed limit makes you a safe driver. It's a hell of a lot more than that.

This shouldn't be a pissing contest - I get as upset and frustrated as anyone when I see bad behaviour on the road. I've dobbed people in on *555 numerous times and have had to stop and attend to numerous accidents over the years, including a fatality.

To have a 16 year old on a restricted license state so clearly that he thinks respect for a number makes him a better driver scares me. I was probably as naive as you when I was 16 as well...

As I said before... good luck on the roads. Your respect for the law and speed limits is a good start, but please, for yourself and for anyone else on the road, start to understand that driving safety isn't something that can be picked up overnight, or taught... It's something that has to be learnt.

Cheers - N

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#424089 4-Jan-2011 22:47

look the point of this exercise is

1) yes speeding does cause crashes

2) but if you think that if everyone that is alive keeps to the speed limit everyone will be alive you're wrong. firstly, the morons will never keep to the speed limit. secondly the drugged/drunk cannot keep to the speed limit. thirdly the testosterone and "are you a chicken" talk will increase speed.

3) fourthly there are so many other factors that cause crashes apart from speeding! if you google "what causes car accidents" you will find the expert opinions (http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&expIds=17259&xhr=t&q=what+causes+car+accidents&cp=16&pf=p&sclient=ps...)

i am not going to give a lecture on what cause crashes but they include inexperience, old age (heard of those who slammed on accelerators instead of brakes? i read about them every week), pulling out of driveways and junctions at the wrong time, morons (seen footage of people beating red lights or train crossing bells? or the lamborghini in ?auckland a few years ago?), falling asleep at whatever speed, eating, weather (combination of too fast for conditions and inexperience), teens-filled car, unfamiliar with road conditions (when i worked in the ED once upon a time during my shift every serious crash i remember involved a tourist) etc etc

good statistics need good denominators. percentage of crash for everyone that exceed limit by 5-10kph? percentage of crash for everyone that drives drunk? percentage of crash for everyone that are too tired to drive?

no of speeders/no of total crashes can (i'm not saying IS, because i don't know) be misleading because the denominator is distorting the lay person's views.

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Talkiet:
tardtasticx: [snip]

Yeh well, you can think that, but the simple fact is, if you hit someone because they were going slow, its your fault. If you hit someone because you went to fast, its your fault. When you drive every day for many years, you pick up bad habits, clearly you have. The info is fresh in my mind thats why I think I'm a safer driver than you. You can keep trying to prove your point that speeding is right, but the simple fact is, it isn't. Like I said, the speed signs are there for a reason, and you need to follow them because its a legal requirement, not a choice.

If 20 years of accident free motoring and advocating a holistic approach to road safety means I have picked up bad habits, then yeah, I'll take that label.

You'll note that I haven't advocated speeding anywhere, but I've been advocating driving safely, and not relying just on some arbitrary easy to quantify metrics instead.

I challenge anyone on these boards to accept that a 39 year old driver with no accidents, motorsport experience and 4 small speeding offenses over the years is a less safe driver than a 16 year old male on a restricted license.

The speed signs are there for a reason, they are ONE INPUT into what constitutes a safe speed for a given section of road. They also indicate the legal speed limit for that road.

I'm not putting down your respect for the law or the speed limits - it's to be applauded, especially for a 16 year old male... But please don't fall into the trap of believing that driving the speed limit makes you a safe driver. It's a hell of a lot more than that.

This shouldn't be a pissing contest - I get as upset and frustrated as anyone when I see bad behaviour on the road. I've dobbed people in on *555 numerous times and have had to stop and attend to numerous accidents over the years, including a fatality.

To have a 16 year old on a restricted license state so clearly that he thinks respect for a number makes him a better driver scares me. I was probably as naive as you when I was 16 as well...

As I said before... good luck on the roads. Your respect for the law and speed limits is a good start, but please, for yourself and for anyone else on the road, start to understand that driving safety isn't something that can be picked up overnight, or taught... It's something that has to be learnt.

Cheers - N

Sorry, I probably shouldn't have said it that way. This is an apology to everyone here, if my response is offensive I'm sorry. Like my replies before, you can probably see if I get challanged on my Point Of View, and when I think I'm right, I usually don't back down and it probably makes me seem like an ass. And yeh I know that speed isnt the only thing I have to look out for on the road, and I completely agree with you on that, and my 2 years experience isn't enough but if it makes you feel better, I'm starting my defensive driving course in a month and a bit. This argument isn't going anywhere.

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