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#1261421 18-Mar-2015 09:33

Handsomedan:

Let's face it - most airlines still don't use metal cutlery...since 9/11, it's been impossible to have a knife of any kind on a plane. I deliberately don't take my Swiss Card multi-tool on flights with me, as I know the rules - despite being a harmless little piece of kit.

Metal cutlery is incredibly common. Airlines just don't use it in economy because plastic is cheaper.

As for knives you can take a knife with a blade up to (from memory) 6cm on a flight which means a swiss army knife and most multi-tools are allowed.

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#1261451 18-Mar-2015 10:03

sbiddle:
Handsomedan:

Let's face it - most airlines still don't use metal cutlery...since 9/11, it's been impossible to have a knife of any kind on a plane. I deliberately don't take my Swiss Card multi-tool on flights with me, as I know the rules - despite being a harmless little piece of kit.

Metal cutlery is incredibly common. Airlines just don't use it in economy because plastic is cheaper.

As for knives you can take a knife with a blade up to (from memory) 6cm on a flight which means a swiss army knife and most multi-tools are allowed.

The CAA rules also state that the Airline may have rules so it not certain that 6CM blades etc will be allowed and CAA advises to check with the Airlines

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#1261452 18-Mar-2015 10:03

sbiddle:
Handsomedan:

Let's face it - most airlines still don't use metal cutlery...since 9/11, it's been impossible to have a knife of any kind on a plane. I deliberately don't take my Swiss Card multi-tool on flights with me, as I know the rules - despite being a harmless little piece of kit.

Metal cutlery is incredibly common. Airlines just don't use it in economy because plastic is cheaper.

As for knives you can take a knife with a blade up to (from memory) 6cm on a flight which means a swiss army knife and most multi-tools are allowed.

Highlighting the absudity of legislation most of which is designed to

a) make the sheeple "feel safe"
b) make the government look like its doing something in the eyes of the sheeple

A fully sharpened 6cm blade with a sturdy lock in the right hands will easily kill or incapacitate. I own and use Global knives for cooking and my 5cm paring knife will cut up an entire 65" TV box (thick cardboard) with ease, and then still slice through thick steak like butter. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a sharp 6cm blade.

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#1261458 18-Mar-2015 10:06

heylinb4nz:
sbiddle:
Handsomedan:

Let's face it - most airlines still don't use metal cutlery...since 9/11, it's been impossible to have a knife of any kind on a plane. I deliberately don't take my Swiss Card multi-tool on flights with me, as I know the rules - despite being a harmless little piece of kit.

Metal cutlery is incredibly common. Airlines just don't use it in economy because plastic is cheaper.

As for knives you can take a knife with a blade up to (from memory) 6cm on a flight which means a swiss army knife and most multi-tools are allowed.

Highlighting the absudity of legislation most of which is designed to

a) make the sheeple "feel safe"
b) make the government look like its doing something in the eyes of the sheeple

A fully sharpened 6cm blade with a sturdy lock in the right hands will easily kill or incapacitate. I own and use Global knives for cooking and my 5cm paring knife will cut up an entire 65" TV box (thick cardboard) with ease, and then still slice through thick steak like butter. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a sharp 6cm blade.

If the knife is very sharp or is such that it can be used for harm it can still be disallowed on aircraft. The rules set in place post 9/11 are sensible and necessary and keep you safer as well.

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#1261488 18-Mar-2015 10:38

KiwiNZ:
heylinb4nz:
sbiddle:
Handsomedan:

Let's face it - most airlines still don't use metal cutlery...since 9/11, it's been impossible to have a knife of any kind on a plane. I deliberately don't take my Swiss Card multi-tool on flights with me, as I know the rules - despite being a harmless little piece of kit.

Metal cutlery is incredibly common. Airlines just don't use it in economy because plastic is cheaper.

As for knives you can take a knife with a blade up to (from memory) 6cm on a flight which means a swiss army knife and most multi-tools are allowed.

Highlighting the absudity of legislation most of which is designed to

a) make the sheeple "feel safe"
b) make the government look like its doing something in the eyes of the sheeple

A fully sharpened 6cm blade with a sturdy lock in the right hands will easily kill or incapacitate. I own and use Global knives for cooking and my 5cm paring knife will cut up an entire 65" TV box (thick cardboard) with ease, and then still slice through thick steak like butter. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a sharp 6cm blade.

If the knife is very sharp or is such that it can be used for harm it can still be disallowed on aircraft. The rules set in place post 9/11 are sensible and necessary and keep you safer as well.

What sort of sharpness test do you propose for knives to determine whether they can be allowed on board or not?

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#1261496 18-Mar-2015 10:55

Geektastic:
KiwiNZ:
heylinb4nz:
sbiddle:
Handsomedan:

Let's face it - most airlines still don't use metal cutlery...since 9/11, it's been impossible to have a knife of any kind on a plane. I deliberately don't take my Swiss Card multi-tool on flights with me, as I know the rules - despite being a harmless little piece of kit.

Metal cutlery is incredibly common. Airlines just don't use it in economy because plastic is cheaper.

As for knives you can take a knife with a blade up to (from memory) 6cm on a flight which means a swiss army knife and most multi-tools are allowed.

Highlighting the absudity of legislation most of which is designed to

a) make the sheeple "feel safe"
b) make the government look like its doing something in the eyes of the sheeple

A fully sharpened 6cm blade with a sturdy lock in the right hands will easily kill or incapacitate. I own and use Global knives for cooking and my 5cm paring knife will cut up an entire 65" TV box (thick cardboard) with ease, and then still slice through thick steak like butter. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a sharp 6cm blade.

If the knife is very sharp or is such that it can be used for harm it can still be disallowed on aircraft. The rules set in place post 9/11 are sensible and necessary and keep you safer as well.

What sort of sharpness test do you propose for knives to determine whether they can be allowed on board or not?

Random stabbing of fellow passengers pre-flight, perhaps?

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#1261503 18-Mar-2015 11:04

Talking to one of the guys I work with and they say the Kirpan Dagger is quite sharp, What happened if another passenger got hold of it and started waving it about in a drunk state?

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#1261505 18-Mar-2015 11:08

Geektastic:

What sort of sharpness test do you propose for knives to determine whether they can be allowed on board or not?

Simple if it can cut paper then it's not allowed. I struggle to find a logical reason why anyone would need to carry a knife onto an aircraft. The rules are well known if it is vital you take it with you either courier it to your destination as I have done or put it in the stowed luggage.

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#1261548 18-Mar-2015 11:54

being a Sikh myself(not baptised ) , i understand everyone point of view . here extract of the Sikh religion of why they wear it :

" Every baptised Sikh is supposed to have five articles of faith to obey everyday and the kirpan is one of those. It's traditionally 3 feet long and held by religious leaders but baptised Sikhs can wear a smaller version and we wear it under our clothing, not exposed to anyone"

they are never allowed to take the kirpan off , but they can compromise with smaller versions of the kirpans on flights etc . but sum Sikhs believe we should not compromise our religion, thats where the difficulty begins....

here's a small summary sorry for the direct link http://www.sikhs.org/summary.htm

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#1261553 18-Mar-2015 11:58

cokeman2: being a Sikh myself(not baptised ) , i understand everyone point of view . here extract of the Sikh religion of why they wear it :

" Every baptised Sikh is supposed to have five articles of faith to obey everyday and the kirpan is one of those. It's traditionally 3 feet long and held by religious leaders but baptised Sikhs can wear a smaller version and we wear it under our clothing, not exposed to anyone"

they are never allowed to take the kirpan off , but they can compromise with smaller versions of the kirpans on flights etc . but sum Sikhs believe we should not compromise our religion, thats where the difficulty begins....

Not taking it off must make sleeping a PITA.

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#1261573 18-Mar-2015 12:23

cokeman2:. but sum Sikhs believe we should not compromise our religion, thats where the difficulty begins....

And this is why the vast majority have an issue with people of various faiths...their unwavering inability to compromise, despite NOT being in a place where they are of the majority...

Personally, I have no problem with turbans, cloaks, nuns' habits and priest's collars, baseball caps and motorcycle club insignia etc.

What I do have an issue with is the inability of some religious folk to integrate with the rest of society (where possible within the bounds of their particular faith or culture) and accept that their way is not always going to be acceptable...like the rest of the world accepts that this is the way in the Middle East etc.

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#1261575 18-Mar-2015 12:27

Solution is simple. Dont Fly.

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#1261579 18-Mar-2015 12:29

heylinb4nz: I would be all to happy for them to carry daggers provided regular citizens were allowed to import and carry pepper spray, something is pretty wrong when a minority group can use religion to allow them to carry what is POTENTIALLY an offensive weapon, yet the natural born citizens of NZ are restricted in all manner of a having any form of self defence device while going about their daily business.

Fixed it for you.

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#1261591 18-Mar-2015 12:40

Geektastic:
cokeman2: being a Sikh myself(not baptised ) , i understand everyone point of view . here extract of the Sikh religion of why they wear it :

" Every baptised Sikh is supposed to have five articles of faith to obey everyday and the kirpan is one of those. It's traditionally 3 feet long and held by religious leaders but baptised Sikhs can wear a smaller version and we wear it under our clothing, not exposed to anyone"

they are never allowed to take the kirpan off , but they can compromise with smaller versions of the kirpans on flights etc . but sum Sikhs believe we should not compromise our religion, thats where the difficulty begins....

Not taking it off must make sleeping a PITA.

(and other bedroom related activities...)

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#1261595 18-Mar-2015 12:47

KiwiNZ: If these are allowed then we will see clowns claiming their bongs are religious symbols as are knuckle dusters, guns etc. A blanket prohibition makes administration easier and removes to an extent grounds for accusations of discrimination against any particular group.

The benchmark for laws shouldn't be whether they are easy to administer.

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