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sir1963

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#1310015 22-May-2015 17:11

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MikeB4: In my feeble mind the answer to child poverty is the same as for any poverty, give a man a fish and he will eat for one day, teach him and give the resources to fish and he eats for a life time. So, to address child poverty and poverty in general
we need to increase overall "wealth" by economic stimulus and growth. If we just do Government hand outs any gains are artificial and the root cause will still remain unresolved. Having said that we still need to apply Elastoplast work rounds to ease the symptoms in the interim.

I think you need to change the parent's attitude. If you look at typical Asian families, they drive the kids hard and consequently they do well. This despite often poor parents.

At the most fundamental, I have seen it first hand in Cambodia where I covered a school run by a US charity. The parents of the kids could not read or write for the most part, and lived in what we would regard as very very basic conditions: they were determined that their children would lift themselves out of that life and took them many kilometres to school every day.

Without the attitude change, throwing money at the problem is likely to have limited results.

While many parents work 12+ hours a day doing multiple part time jobs + travel of another 2-3 hours a day , exactly HOW can these parents influence their childs lives ?

The attitude of working hard work is clearly evident, and yet on minimum wage jobs they can barely keep their heads above water.

They could move to somewhere that the rent is cheaper , that would either see them unemployed, or spending much more on transport.

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#1310055 22-May-2015 18:16

sir1963:
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MikeB4: In my feeble mind the answer to child poverty is the same as for any poverty, give a man a fish and he will eat for one day, teach him and give the resources to fish and he eats for a life time. So, to address child poverty and poverty in general
we need to increase overall "wealth" by economic stimulus and growth. If we just do Government hand outs any gains are artificial and the root cause will still remain unresolved. Having said that we still need to apply Elastoplast work rounds to ease the symptoms in the interim.

I think you need to change the parent's attitude. If you look at typical Asian families, they drive the kids hard and consequently they do well. This despite often poor parents.

At the most fundamental, I have seen it first hand in Cambodia where I covered a school run by a US charity. The parents of the kids could not read or write for the most part, and lived in what we would regard as very very basic conditions: they were determined that their children would lift themselves out of that life and took them many kilometres to school every day.

Without the attitude change, throwing money at the problem is likely to have limited results.

While many parents work 12+ hours a day doing multiple part time jobs + travel of another 2-3 hours a day , exactly HOW can these parents influence their childs lives ?

The attitude of working hard work is clearly evident, and yet on minimum wage jobs they can barely keep their heads above water.

They could move to somewhere that the rent is cheaper , that would either see them unemployed, or spending much more on transport.

That is interesting, I mean is there a lack of jobs outside of Auckland? Living in smaller NZ cities is cheaper, as lower rents / cheaper houses. If someone is having to work 12+ hours a day, simply to make ends meet, then something is wrong. You don't live to work, you work to live.

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#1310061 22-May-2015 18:25

mattwnz:
sir1963:
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MikeB4: In my feeble mind the answer to child poverty is the same as for any poverty, give a man a fish and he will eat for one day, teach him and give the resources to fish and he eats for a life time. So, to address child poverty and poverty in general
we need to increase overall "wealth" by economic stimulus and growth. If we just do Government hand outs any gains are artificial and the root cause will still remain unresolved. Having said that we still need to apply Elastoplast work rounds to ease the symptoms in the interim.

I think you need to change the parent's attitude. If you look at typical Asian families, they drive the kids hard and consequently they do well. This despite often poor parents.

At the most fundamental, I have seen it first hand in Cambodia where I covered a school run by a US charity. The parents of the kids could not read or write for the most part, and lived in what we would regard as very very basic conditions: they were determined that their children would lift themselves out of that life and took them many kilometres to school every day.

Without the attitude change, throwing money at the problem is likely to have limited results.

While many parents work 12+ hours a day doing multiple part time jobs + travel of another 2-3 hours a day , exactly HOW can these parents influence their childs lives ?

The attitude of working hard work is clearly evident, and yet on minimum wage jobs they can barely keep their heads above water.

They could move to somewhere that the rent is cheaper , that would either see them unemployed, or spending much more on transport.

That is interesting, I mean is there a lack of jobs outside of Auckland? Living in smaller NZ cities is cheaper, as lower rents / cheaper houses. If someone is having to work 12+ hours a day, simply to make ends meet, then something is wrong. You don't live to work, you work to live.

Southland's unemployment rate is the second lowest in the country with 3.8% compared to the national average of 5.1% with the second largest GDP per capita with $57,135 per person which tbh is significantly lower than Taranaki with ~$80,000 per person but both are significantly higher than Auckland $49,217 per person. Houses of similar quality to ones that go for up to a million in Auckland are like 2-300k in Invercargill.

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#1310121 22-May-2015 20:35

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MikeB4: In my feeble mind the answer to child poverty is the same as for any poverty, give a man a fish and he will eat for one day, teach him and give the resources to fish and he eats for a life time. So, to address child poverty and poverty in general
we need to increase overall "wealth" by economic stimulus and growth. If we just do Government hand outs any gains are artificial and the root cause will still remain unresolved. Having said that we still need to apply Elastoplast work rounds to ease the symptoms in the interim.

I think you need to change the parent's attitude. If you look at typical Asian families, they drive the kids hard and consequently they do well. This despite often poor parents.

At the most fundamental, I have seen it first hand in Cambodia where I covered a school run by a US charity. The parents of the kids could not read or write for the most part, and lived in what we would regard as very very basic conditions: they were determined that their children would lift themselves out of that life and took them many kilometres to school every day.

Without the attitude change, throwing money at the problem is likely to have limited results.

I agree there is a need for attitude change especially with the cliche "cradle to the grave" attitude. However attitude change is not a global cure.

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#1310126 22-May-2015 20:38

mattwnz:
sir1963:
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MikeB4: In my feeble mind the answer to child poverty is the same as for any poverty, give a man a fish and he will eat for one day, teach him and give the resources to fish and he eats for a life time. So, to address child poverty and poverty in general
we need to increase overall "wealth" by economic stimulus and growth. If we just do Government hand outs any gains are artificial and the root cause will still remain unresolved. Having said that we still need to apply Elastoplast work rounds to ease the symptoms in the interim.

I think you need to change the parent's attitude. If you look at typical Asian families, they drive the kids hard and consequently they do well. This despite often poor parents.

At the most fundamental, I have seen it first hand in Cambodia where I covered a school run by a US charity. The parents of the kids could not read or write for the most part, and lived in what we would regard as very very basic conditions: they were determined that their children would lift themselves out of that life and took them many kilometres to school every day.

Without the attitude change, throwing money at the problem is likely to have limited results.

While many parents work 12+ hours a day doing multiple part time jobs + travel of another 2-3 hours a day , exactly HOW can these parents influence their childs lives ?

The attitude of working hard work is clearly evident, and yet on minimum wage jobs they can barely keep their heads above water.

They could move to somewhere that the rent is cheaper , that would either see them unemployed, or spending much more on transport.

That is interesting, I mean is there a lack of jobs outside of Auckland? Living in smaller NZ cities is cheaper, as lower rents / cheaper houses. If someone is having to work 12+ hours a day, simply to make ends meet, then something is wrong. You don't live to work, you work to live.

For lots it means leaving family and all their support networks.
Its a big unknown, but small town NZ is under significant pressure. Even the regional cities are suffering, the great NZ "Rock Star Economy" was based on Auckland property prices and the Christchurch rebuild, the rest of the country ..... not so much.

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#1310207 22-May-2015 22:38

sir1963:
mattwnz:
sir1963:
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MikeB4: In my feeble mind the answer to child poverty is the same as for any poverty, give a man a fish and he will eat for one day, teach him and give the resources to fish and he eats for a life time. So, to address child poverty and poverty in general
we need to increase overall "wealth" by economic stimulus and growth. If we just do Government hand outs any gains are artificial and the root cause will still remain unresolved. Having said that we still need to apply Elastoplast work rounds to ease the symptoms in the interim.

I think you need to change the parent's attitude. If you look at typical Asian families, they drive the kids hard and consequently they do well. This despite often poor parents.

At the most fundamental, I have seen it first hand in Cambodia where I covered a school run by a US charity. The parents of the kids could not read or write for the most part, and lived in what we would regard as very very basic conditions: they were determined that their children would lift themselves out of that life and took them many kilometres to school every day.

Without the attitude change, throwing money at the problem is likely to have limited results.

While many parents work 12+ hours a day doing multiple part time jobs + travel of another 2-3 hours a day , exactly HOW can these parents influence their childs lives ?

The attitude of working hard work is clearly evident, and yet on minimum wage jobs they can barely keep their heads above water.

They could move to somewhere that the rent is cheaper , that would either see them unemployed, or spending much more on transport.

That is interesting, I mean is there a lack of jobs outside of Auckland? Living in smaller NZ cities is cheaper, as lower rents / cheaper houses. If someone is having to work 12+ hours a day, simply to make ends meet, then something is wrong. You don't live to work, you work to live.

For lots it means leaving family and all their support networks.
Its a big unknown, but small town NZ is under significant pressure. Even the regional cities are suffering, the great NZ "Rock Star Economy" was based on Auckland property prices and the Christchurch rebuild, the rest of the country ..... not so much.

Are we talking about adults or wailing bairns here?! I left home for boarding school before I was 8 years old. If moving to a different place within NZ, a country with a very functional phone system, the internet and transportation systems to stay in touch with home is a bit too hard for adults to cope with they must rank amongst the most pathetic and least employable people I can envisage. Hopeless.

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#1310211 22-May-2015 23:02

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Are we talking about adults or wailing bairns here?! I left home for boarding school before I was 8 years old. If moving to a different place within NZ, a country with a very functional phone system, the internet and transportation systems to stay in touch with home is a bit too hard for adults to cope with they must rank amongst the most pathetic and least employable people I can envisage. Hopeless.

I have to agree to degree with this, families etc are spread fast and wide these days for many reasons, contact is easy still though. There families that chose to stay close and that is fine but that should be at their discretion or cost there are of course exceptions like aged care and disability etc.

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