Old Radar Detectors are useless against NEW speed cameras (Video Footage)

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#424098 4-Jan-2011 23:48

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Idiot driver on a Subaru just south of Dannevirke today was roaring down on me but couldn't pass on the corners... I then noticed a second Subaru, same colours coming just after him. Obviously racing each other on the road.

On a passing lane I went first and pulled to the left. The first Subaru passed, but the second one had to push me over to the shoulder because the idiotard ran out of passing lane and he couldn't bear being without his man ;)

A couple of kms later I saw a police car and stopped to let him know - including plate numbers and exactly where it happened, since my wife took note of everything.

I really hope these idiots get what they deserve.

You could have also called *555 and/or the Road Watch site - http://www.police.govt.nz/service/road/roadwatch.html

The other week we followed a tractor/hay baler trailer on SH1 just leaving north of Wellsford. The trailer didn't have a number plate, and was driving crazy slow and dangerous (trying to pull over into a shoulder that wasn't wide enough and flicking up stones everywhere, really horrible to follow, reported to *555 without much hassle.

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#424133 5-Jan-2011 08:39

nigelj:
freitasm: [feel good]

Idiot driver on a Subaru just south of Dannevirke today was roaring down on me but couldn't pass on the corners... I then noticed a second Subaru, same colours coming just after him. Obviously racing each other on the road.

On a passing lane I went first and pulled to the left. The first Subaru passed, but the second one had to push me over to the shoulder because the idiotard ran out of passing lane and he couldn't bear being without his man ;)

A couple of kms later I saw a police car and stopped to let him know - including plate numbers and exactly where it happened, since my wife took note of everything.

I really hope these idiots get what they deserve.

You could have also called *555 and/or the Road Watch site - http://www.police.govt.nz/service/road/roadwatch.html

The other week we followed a tractor/hay baler trailer on SH1 just leaving north of Wellsford. The trailer didn't have a number plate, and was driving crazy slow and dangerous (trying to pull over into a shoulder that wasn't wide enough and flicking up stones everywhere, really horrible to follow, reported to *555 without much hassle.

I guess you should have been more patient as he was most likely only going about 1K between farm gates..

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#424172 5-Jan-2011 09:59

old3eyes:
nigelj:
freitasm: [feel good]

Idiot driver on a Subaru just south of Dannevirke today was roaring down on me but couldn't pass on the corners... I then noticed a second Subaru, same colours coming just after him. Obviously racing each other on the road.

On a passing lane I went first and pulled to the left. The first Subaru passed, but the second one had to push me over to the shoulder because the idiotard ran out of passing lane and he couldn't bear being without his man ;)

A couple of kms later I saw a police car and stopped to let him know - including plate numbers and exactly where it happened, since my wife took note of everything.

I really hope these idiots get what they deserve.

You could have also called *555 and/or the Road Watch site - http://www.police.govt.nz/service/road/roadwatch.html

The other week we followed a tractor/hay baler trailer on SH1 just leaving north of Wellsford. The trailer didn't have a number plate, and was driving crazy slow and dangerous (trying to pull over into a shoulder that wasn't wide enough and flicking up stones everywhere, really horrible to follow, reported to *555 without much hassle.

I guess you should have been more patient as he was most likely only going about 1K between farm gates..

He was going a lot more than 1km as we only managed to pass him after Te Hana, and he'd built a queue of a good 10-15 cars pretty quickly.

I'm just putting this is the slow drivers can be dangerous file, cos flicking up stones into the windscreen of the car behind you isn't very nice.

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#424185 5-Jan-2011 10:45

Anyone else feel this thread is going wildly off topic?

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#424199 5-Jan-2011 11:03

nate: Anyone else feel this thread is going wildly off topic?

Just a little.

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#424203 5-Jan-2011 11:20

nate: Anyone else feel this thread is going wildly off topic?

Good thing it is in the "off topic" forum then ah :)

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#424214 5-Jan-2011 12:02

Yep, off topic thread in the off topic section is off topic.

I mean, it's ok.

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#424222 5-Jan-2011 12:23

freitasm: Yep, off topic thread in the off topic section is off topic.

I mean, it's ok.

Cool, boss has spoken

As you were chaps.

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#424290 5-Jan-2011 14:51

Amused by some of the opinions in this thread.

My $0.02 is simple:

- If you're travelling fast enough as a habit that you need a radar detector to slow you down, you're travelling too fast. Radar Detectors just allow folks to travel at too high a higher average speed (by avoiding detection).
- I'm not slow on the roads. I enjoy driving and I enjoy getting from point to point at a good speed. However I take the approach that:
--- I drive to the conditions
--- I do not exceed the 10km/h threshold much at all, and
--- If I speed, i'm willing to deal with the ramifications.
- I do agree the speed limits in some places could use review. NZ doesn't make good use of the 60km/h limit, and uses 50's in too many places instead. I contest however the assertions made by an earlier poster that the US would have 70-80's where we have 50's. That's crap. 30mph zones are common.
- I don't think that blindly calling ticket-issuing a revenue-gathering exercise is fair, either. In some specific cases it may well deserve the name, but it does depend on what they're catching you doing. This is part of why I like the 10km/h tolerance; more than 10km/h over the posted limit has very little excuse. Certainly by the time you exceed 15km/h you're asking for trouble.

So bearing the original subject in mind, I don't care about whether radar detectors work or not (and neither should you) because I don't habitually drive over the tolerance level (and neither should you).

You want to see a revenue gathering exercise that I wouldn't mind? A mobile camera parked up within a temporary speed limit zone - perhaps the one on the northbound approach to the harbour bridge. Then see how often the damn thing issues infringements...

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#424326 5-Jan-2011 16:26

Its time the police had tailgating cameras.... and ones that issue demerit points for serious cases.

Time to find a new industry!

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#424335 5-Jan-2011 16:37

BlakJak:
--- I do not exceed the 10km/h threshold much at all, and
- I don't think that blindly calling ticket-issuing a revenue-gathering exercise is fair, either. In some specific cases it may well deserve the name, but it does depend on what they're catching you doing. This is part of why I like the 10km/h tolerance; more than 10km/h over the posted limit has very little excuse. Certainly by the time you exceed 15km/h you're asking for trouble.

Unfortunately there is no such thing as a 10km/h tolerance. It all comes down to officer judgement of the situation, eg traffic/road/weather conditions.
'Gerenally' 6km/h is a more appropriate tolerance, if you are wanting to put a figure on it. However, if you speed you should be prepared for the consequences, as you quite rightly pointed out.

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#424338 5-Jan-2011 16:43

old3eyes:
tardtasticx:

Troll? Hardly.
When you speed your reaction times are significantly reduced.
Go 80 in a 50 zone, kid runs out onto the road in front of you. If you went 50 you would probably have enough time to slam the breaks on and swerve without losing control. Do it at 80, you approach the kid faster and have less time to realize and slam the breaks on. Stopping distance is significantly increased, loss of wheel traction, spin out of control, take out said kid, go into on coming traffic.

I dont know why you try to justify that speeding isn't dangerous. The speed limits are there for a reason, to protect you and other drivers. If you dont agree with that, then don't drive and make it safer for the rest of us out there who have patience. Thats why our road toll over christmas is so high. People lose patience and feel they have to speed. Take a chill pill and think about what can happen.

Have you ever driven outside NZ and seen the more realistic speed limits on city street?? NZ Version = 50K in dual lane road, median divider thru industrial area. Oz same thing 70K, US 70 ~ 80K. In NZ the Gov treats every driver as an idiot and when you treat people like that you get idiots. Driver education in NZ is a joke and by driver education I don't mean those Gov social engineering ads on TV every nite..

So many of NZs low speed limits are there purely for revenue gathering exercise same with the placement of fixed speed cameras on safe straight pieces of road..

UK speeds for city streets is 30mph (or 50kph). UK motorway 70mph (112kph). US interstate speeds range from 55mph to 65mph (90 to 105kph) so that rules out the persistent 'revenue gathering' excuses for speed cameras and 'low' NZ speed limits.

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#424344 5-Jan-2011 16:59

blakamin: speed + (something else) = common cause of crashes... usually inability to drive, drinking, drugs, fatigue, morons, etc...

In 10 years of living in NZ I have been breathalised 5 times. If this was in Victoria, it would have been weekly.
In 10 years of living in NZ I have seen one person done for impeding the flow of traffic (70 in a 100 zone and this was because they were weaving all over the road and hitting cones, but weren't under the influence). If this was Victoria, they'd be doing people daily.
I've never seen someone done for failing to keep left on a double lane road where signs (red-bordered) say "keep left unless overtaking".

New Zealands attitude to road safety is a joke!
Also bear in mind I can spend up to to 14hrs a day on the road, as I drive for a living, and I see more f^%*'n idiots in a world of their own, driving under the speed limit, not even beginning to look in a mirror, let alone give a flying stuff about any other road user than people speeding.

tardtasticx: Maybe when you've been driving longer than 2 years you'll realise that some of the stuff you've spouted is BS. Driving like my nanna doesn't mean you're a "safer" driver than anyone here. I'd rather get in a car with Talkiet than you anyday!

Tell me why are there speed cameras on straight, 2 lane motorways if it isn't revenue gathering?

PS: I've been driving 24 years, have had no accidents and 2 speeding tickets: 111 on the desert road by an actual police car after overtaking a truck
and 111 on Raumati straight by a camera van as I was about to overtake a bus. One of these roads was dead straight, single lane and the other is dead straight, 2 lane with concrete median.
Both of these were in a car... Why am I not dead? Experience, awareness, common sense, concentration, lack of drink, lack of drugs and lack of stupidity.
Unfortunately these days I have to spend more time looking at my speedo than I do at the road.

BTW, it sucks about the radar thing. (I don't use one)

111 on the Raumati Straight, just as you were about to overtake a bus! You forgot to mention that the camera van is near the end of the Raumati Straight which is on a slight bend and also where the two lanes merge into one, and also where traffic slows down to pull off at Poplar Avenue.

Another reason for it being there might be that most drivers in NZ insist on waiting until the last 200m before passing, and they usually have to speed like you to do so. I have regularly been passed in the last 200m by cars doing 120+ whilst I'm doing 100kph, when they could have passed earlier. So, based on the comments throughout this thread, I shouldn't be on the road as I'm a danger to others. Wake up people. The only ones you're fooling are yourselves.

I do agree however with your comment - New Zealands attitude to road safety is a joke!

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#424354 5-Jan-2011 17:30

rscole86:
BlakJak:
--- I do not exceed the 10km/h threshold much at all, and
- I don't think that blindly calling ticket-issuing a revenue-gathering exercise is fair, either. In some specific cases it may well deserve the name, but it does depend on what they're catching you doing. This is part of why I like the 10km/h tolerance; more than 10km/h over the posted limit has very little excuse. Certainly by the time you exceed 15km/h you're asking for trouble.

Unfortunately there is no such thing as a 10km/h tolerance. It all comes down to officer judgement of the situation, eg traffic/road/weather conditions.
'Gerenally' 6km/h is a more appropriate tolerance, if you are wanting to put a figure on it.

I'm pretty sure the guidance is 9km/h actually, but of course, officers judgement comes into play. If it's still too fast for the conditions in the judgement of the police officer, you can still be ticketed, there are still valid fines for exceeding the limit by 0-10km/h.

I was once ticketed by a mobile camera for doing 97km/h on a motorway while towing a trailer (legal limit 90km/h). $30 for 7km/h over the posted speed limit. I paid the fine and didn't moan (except for my own bad luck... i'd been floating around 90km/h for the entire drive to that point, but speed had quietly crept up as I moved with the traffic along SH2 Korokoro Hutt-bound... 97km/h is probably as fast as I would've gotten, so 'twas dumb luck that I drove past the camera right then. Guilty, fine paid, lesson learned).

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#424361 5-Jan-2011 17:55

SPEED is obviously the most contributory factor to the outcome of any crash... but the major, and unaddressed issue is driver skill.

When a lot of use were growing up we walked to school and later biked. OK so we were inattentive kids but we had imprinted upon us the basic road skills associated with intersections, disparate vehicle speeds and the vargarities of a variety of road vehicle types and users. Then we got our Escorts or Hunters.......

Sure in time (even the last 10 years) traffic numbers and road use has changed, now most kids don't ride a bike to school, instead they ride in higher powered vehicles than we ever had access to. And at home they get on their Playstations and thrash clone cars into walls and trees before getting up off the sofa to have dinner.... in short they haven't made the same connection (including the physical ones) that many folk with years of driving experience have.

How hard would it be to include an hour (or period) a week in road-craft (?) as a compulsory subject from say year 10 (14/15yr olds). Where young adults are taught respect for the road, for traffic, and the road rules. You can go further if you wish with restrictive regulation on vechicle type size etc, but why not try something simple to improve driver education as one part of ta plan to improve driver skill and road safety. At the very least it would remove from bold young drivers the plethora of excuses about not knowing...

But of course, like most things, it's not a solution that will provide any overnight solutions its just one thing we need to do to make things better. Because whatever your view on speed or driver age or road quality, there is no single solution and no fast answer.

Speed cameras and radar detectors are simply part of the mix however you choose to interact with either of them

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