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#1268206 26-Mar-2015 10:31

Over a steak dinner..really...what a jerk

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#1268210 26-Mar-2015 10:38

KiwiNZ:
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joker97: yeah, everybody who support JC i suggest they too try that on their boss and post here what happens. ok? ;p

Does slamming them up against the wall and explaining how the world really works count? If so, then the result was a better understanding of the world by the boss.

I think he became a better person for it.

That is battery and again serious misconduct that should result in dismissal.

Yep, its a criminal charge, assault. And over a steak???? His brashness has gone to his head, hes not paid to be a TV persopanlity, he's paid to be brash and raise hackles, but don't take that to the workplace or the public, which he also does. Great personality model for the show, but overdone these days.

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#1268211 26-Mar-2015 10:38

I'm willing to bet that Hammond and May are just as fed up with the BBC as Jeremy was. Jeremy is just much better at getting in the news about it.

I feel like the trio will be back together, maybe not as Top Gear, but as something else. If that isn't the case and this is all theater, the BBC have plans for his return already in the pipeline. Money talks and Top Gear made it. A lot of it.

I'll have to find other Clarkson documentaries to get my fix for now.

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#1268212 26-Mar-2015 10:41

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KiwiNZ: If this occurred as reported in a team I was managing it would have resulted in dismissal.

I would give them 1/2 a day off and $200 to go to the pub and sort out their differences, After all chances are it was the one getting punched that need the firing anyway.

I will never reward violence and bullying in the work place. I regard it as serious misconduct that will result in dismissal.

If I was in your team I would beat myself up.

So you think violence and bullying in the work place is OK

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#1268214 26-Mar-2015 10:42

KiwiNZ:
kiwitrc:
KiwiNZ:
mdooher:
KiwiNZ: If this occurred as reported in a team I was managing it would have resulted in dismissal.

I would give them 1/2 a day off and $200 to go to the pub and sort out their differences, After all chances are it was the one getting punched that need the firing anyway.

I will never reward violence and bullying in the work place. I regard it as serious misconduct that will result in dismissal.

If I was in your team I would beat myself up.

So you think violence and bullying in the work place is OK

Not at all, I just saw an opportunity to get dismissed.

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#1268233 26-Mar-2015 11:01

jonathan18: It's weird to see this defence of Clarkson and his actions, when I think they're really indefensible.

JimmyC:Whilst I certainly do not condone physical violence toward a co-worker, I think the BBC has become way to PC these days...

Seriously? By suggesting it's somehow alright that Clarkson attacked another BBC worker (or at least suggesting it's not a good enough reason to not renew his contract) I'd say that is getting close to saying physical violence is ok or acceptable in such cases. or perhaps it should be tolerated because he's important and the BBC needs him more than he needs them?

What I'm saying is the reason this incident was the last straw for Clarkson was because of his previous infractions that were deemed racist. In that regard I believe the BBC has become too PC, along with a lot of people but that's another topic. If he'd had a squeaky clean slate up to this point I doubt the incident would have made the light of day, being settled in house. I'm not saying that's the right way to do it, but money has a way of changing lots of things.

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#1268249 26-Mar-2015 11:08

JimmyC:
jonathan18: It's weird to see this defence of Clarkson and his actions, when I think they're really indefensible.

JimmyC:Whilst I certainly do not condone physical violence toward a co-worker, I think the BBC has become way to PC these days...

Seriously? By suggesting it's somehow alright that Clarkson attacked another BBC worker (or at least suggesting it's not a good enough reason to not renew his contract) I'd say that is getting close to saying physical violence is ok or acceptable in such cases. or perhaps it should be tolerated because he's important and the BBC needs him more than he needs them?

What I'm saying is the reason this incident was the last straw for Clarkson was because of his previous infractions that were deemed racist. In that regard I believe the BBC has become too PC, along with a lot of people but that's another topic. If he'd had a squeaky clean slate up to this point I doubt the incident would have made the light of day, being settled in house. I'm not saying that's the right way to do it, but money has a way of changing lots of things.

BBC too PC? I don''t follow that at all. The previous, many infractions weren't just racist, he ran down disabled people as well. He is just abusive. Is he really like that in reali life? Probably not, he is loud and obtuse as that's his TV qualification. The BBC have put up with a great number of nasty infractions, so in effect, the BBC are not very PC at all, in fact rthe opposite, but it's now gone over the line. Punching a guy cos of an issue with a steak? Amazing

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#1268256 26-Mar-2015 11:17

KiwiNZ:
mdooher:
joker97: yeah, everybody who support JC i suggest they too try that on their boss and post here what happens. ok? ;p

Does slamming them up against the wall and explaining how the world really works count? If so, then the result was a better understanding of the world by the boss.

I think he became a better person for it.

That is battery and again serious misconduct that should result in dismissal.

Considering what he did to deserve such a reaction he would have been fired as well. So what was better? Me getting him fired? Firing both of us, or the two of us sorting it together in a way that was clearly understood by both of us and moving on?

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#1268263 26-Mar-2015 11:24

mdooher:
KiwiNZ:
mdooher:
joker97: yeah, everybody who support JC i suggest they too try that on their boss and post here what happens. ok? ;p

Does slamming them up against the wall and explaining how the world really works count? If so, then the result was a better understanding of the world by the boss.

I think he became a better person for it.

That is battery and again serious misconduct that should result in dismissal.

Considering what he did to deserve such a reaction he would have been fired as well. So what was better? Me getting him fired? Firing both of us, or the two of us sorting it together in a way that was clearly understood by both of us and moving on?

keeping your hands to yourself, walking away and use the complaints process to deal with it like responsible adults.

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#1268264 26-Mar-2015 11:24

KiwiNZ:
mdooher:
KiwiNZ: If this occurred as reported in a team I was managing it would have resulted in dismissal.

I would give them 1/2 a day off and $200 to go to the pub and sort out their differences, After all chances are it was the one getting punched that need the firing anyway.

I will never reward violence and bullying in the work place. I regard it as serious misconduct that will result in dismissal.

Why not help people instead of punishing them? Wouldn't it be better for everyone if the beer worked?

Zero tolerance policies are just an excuse for people to avoid having to back their decisions. " I don't make the rules, I just enforce them" etc

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#1268294 26-Mar-2015 11:29

KiwiNZ:
mdooher:
KiwiNZ:
mdooher:
joker97: yeah, everybody who support JC i suggest they too try that on their boss and post here what happens. ok? ;p

Does slamming them up against the wall and explaining how the world really works count? If so, then the result was a better understanding of the world by the boss.

I think he became a better person for it.

That is battery and again serious misconduct that should result in dismissal.

Considering what he did to deserve such a reaction he would have been fired as well. So what was better? Me getting him fired? Firing both of us, or the two of us sorting it together in a way that was clearly understood by both of us and moving on?

keeping your hands to yourself, walking away and use the complaints process to deal with it like responsible adults.

Running to the teacher solves nothing

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#1268298 26-Mar-2015 11:34

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BBC too PC? I don''t follow that at all. The previous, many infractions weren't just racist, he ran down disabled people as well. He is just abusive. Is he really like that in reali life? Probably not, he is loud and obtuse as that's his TV qualification. The BBC have put up with a great number of nasty infractions, so in effect, the BBC are not very PC at all, in fact rthe opposite, but it's now gone over the line. Punching a guy cos of an issue with a steak? Amazing

Differing opinions is all. There are plenty of people who offend me greatly, make my blood boil in fact (mainly dopey left wing bloggers, extreme right wing US churches and politicians) and guess what, I don't watch them, listen to them or read about them if I can avoid it at all. Therefore I don't complain to their editor, broadcaster, or publisher about them either, because that's their opinion. Everyone has the right to complain too however and some people use that right, often. That's where we differ.

In case you missed it, I am agreeing with you about the physical violence thing. It's unacceptable. I just believe it would have been dealt with differently if it was his first offence.

Edit: Oh, and when you said a motoring journalist ran down disabled people... I smiled for the irony. Sorry, I'm a bad person.

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#1268299 26-Mar-2015 11:34

mdooher:
KiwiNZ:
mdooher:
KiwiNZ: If this occurred as reported in a team I was managing it would have resulted in dismissal.

I would give them 1/2 a day off and $200 to go to the pub and sort out their differences, After all chances are it was the one getting punched that need the firing anyway.

I will never reward violence and bullying in the work place. I regard it as serious misconduct that will result in dismissal.

Why not help people instead of punishing them? Wouldn't it be better for everyone if the beer worked?

Zero tolerance policies are just an excuse for people to avoid having to back their decisions. " I don't make the rules, I just enforce them" etc

So, let everyone out of prison as zero tolerance isn't fair? We can help them instead.

Sorry, but thats a dream.

I cannot see any evidence of zero tolerance. He has been tolerated many many times before this straw that broke the camels back, to the detriemnt of various people, cultures and disabilities. I'd say he has had a very very fair go. And its all due to himself, not anyone else

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#1268300 26-Mar-2015 11:35

It will be great if Clarkson ends up fronting some sort of show for Netflix or similar. Since they are not a public TV network he should be able to have a bit more leeway in what he says and how he says it.

I do predict that Top Gear will fail during the next season, partially because Clarkson isn't there and partially because I think it has jumped the shark. I must say I do watch it but the challenges are now far to contrived and clearly not even close to real.

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#1268306 26-Mar-2015 11:38

mdooher:
KiwiNZ:
mdooher:
KiwiNZ:
mdooher:
joker97: yeah, everybody who support JC i suggest they too try that on their boss and post here what happens. ok? ;p

Does slamming them up against the wall and explaining how the world really works count? If so, then the result was a better understanding of the world by the boss.

I think he became a better person for it.

That is battery and again serious misconduct that should result in dismissal.

Considering what he did to deserve such a reaction he would have been fired as well. So what was better? Me getting him fired? Firing both of us, or the two of us sorting it together in a way that was clearly understood by both of us and moving on?

keeping your hands to yourself, walking away and use the complaints process to deal with it like responsible adults.

Running to the teacher solves nothing

What if it had been his spouse he was punching, not a co-worker? Would a beer sort it out? Would she be running to teacher? He got what he deserved, end of.

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