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  #1257288 12-Mar-2015 16:06
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The Amazon Rain Forests are being lost one tree at a time.



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  #1257492 12-Mar-2015 21:33
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old3eyes:
richms: If I was property shopping with an eye for development, having zero native trees on it before buying is looking more and more attractive now.


Having no trees on it is better.  If it's gotten any tree you can bet the tree huggers in the council  will do anything to prevent you from  clearing the site..


And if you like trees and do feel the need to plant some on your property, make sure to only plant exotics and never, ever, plant native species. It's much easier to do something about those if you change your mind about what you want in that spot later or the tree gets too big.


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  #1257502 12-Mar-2015 21:49
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KiwiNZ:
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DravidDavid:
Lias: I really hope someone sneaks in once the noise has died down and chops/burns/poisons both the bloody trees. Pity we can't do that to the protestor.

That's a bit...Rough.  I think when the noise dies down, the property owners wishes should be respected.


The property owner who really wanted to cut down the trees but has been bullied into not doing so by hordes of unwashed hippies and the media?

As to why, I can think of many reasons, but for a start

A: If the trees get killed, they can build the house they wanted, how they wanted.
B: It will piss off the hippies.
C: Decent supply of firewood.




Is there any real reason to insult those who believe differently to you and those who care about the world around them 


As opposed to making perjorative statements to make those with differing views seem like people who couldn't care less about anyone else?



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  #1257817 13-Mar-2015 12:34
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DravidDavid: So it's staying in place in exchange for compensation.  That's fair if the owners have agreed to it.

If I was that land owner, I wouldn't be settling for anything less than 6 figures.  Not sure if you could convince the local Iwi to separate with the kind of cash I would want in the name of nature when it came down to signing the cheque.  You know, since it's such an important "500" year old tree and all, I'd say $800,000 was pretty fair.  Otherwise, it would be coming down in place of a new swimming pool. 



Yep, all those placard-waving protesters can dig deep and put their money where their mouths are, and fund the compensation. Why the heck should it come out of my rates ?

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  #1257829 13-Mar-2015 12:53
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SepticSceptic:
DravidDavid: So it's staying in place in exchange for compensation.  That's fair if the owners have agreed to it.

If I was that land owner, I wouldn't be settling for anything less than 6 figures.  Not sure if you could convince the local Iwi to separate with the kind of cash I would want in the name of nature when it came down to signing the cheque.  You know, since it's such an important "500" year old tree and all, I'd say $800,000 was pretty fair.  Otherwise, it would be coming down in place of a new swimming pool. 



Yep, all those placard-waving protesters can dig deep and put their money where their mouths are, and fund the compensation. Why the heck should it come out of my rates ?


If only a taniwha lived in the tree....they like money. 




Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation



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  #1258098 13-Mar-2015 20:13
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scuwp:
SepticSceptic:
DravidDavid: So it's staying in place in exchange for compensation.  That's fair if the owners have agreed to it.

If I was that land owner, I wouldn't be settling for anything less than 6 figures.  Not sure if you could convince the local Iwi to separate with the kind of cash I would want in the name of nature when it came down to signing the cheque.  You know, since it's such an important "500" year old tree and all, I'd say $800,000 was pretty fair.  Otherwise, it would be coming down in place of a new swimming pool. 



Yep, all those placard-waving protesters can dig deep and put their money where their mouths are, and fund the compensation. Why the heck should it come out of my rates ?


If only a taniwha lived in the tree....they like money. 


Naa, far too inland for a freshwater Taniwha.  Although, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a magical one somewhere in the forest that used to live there.

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  #1258165 13-Mar-2015 22:26
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This will cost the Auckland ratepayers...it will be a very expensive tree!!

Only thing it showed me was just how much of a idiot, Len Brown is.

 
 
 
 

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  #1258212 14-Mar-2015 06:49
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mattbush: This will cost the Auckland ratepayers...it will be a very expensive tree!!

Only thing it showed me was just how much of a idiot, Len Brown is.


Your Len and raise you one Celia. To be fair I don't know if bumbling Len would have been involved in the process.

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So now if you want to remove trees on your property you should:

1) Get consent.
2) After you have consent to remove the trees,  drill a hole in said trees and pour in some suitable herbicide.
3) When it stats to die, then call the arborist in.
4) if someone trespasses on you land and climbs tree to prevent arborist cutting down tree in full compliance with the law, tell them to stay in the tree as long as they want because it is already dead.

It always fascinates me that environmentalists are happy to violate property law when it suits them, but if someone breaks environmental law they howl in outrage:  Hypocrisy much?





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  #1260431 16-Mar-2015 16:58
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MikeAqua: So now if you want to remove trees on your property you should:

1) Get consent.
2) After you have consent to remove the trees,  drill a hole in said trees and pour in some suitable herbicide.
3) When it stats to die, then call the arborist in.
4) if someone trespasses on you land and climbs tree to prevent arborist cutting down tree in full compliance with the law, tell them to stay in the tree as long as they want because it is already dead.

It always fascinates me that environmentalists are happy to violate property law when it suits them, but if someone breaks environmental law they howl in outrage:  Hypocrisy much?



It is actually a good thing to care about the environment, it is the only on have.

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  #1260438 16-Mar-2015 17:02
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The environment is more than just trees. The removal a few trees to allow greater use of the section is an improved environment in many ways.




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  #1260442 16-Mar-2015 17:04
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richms: The environment is more than just trees. The removal a few trees to allow greater use of the section is an improved environment in many ways.


I suppose what happened to the Amazon Rainforest was just the removal of a few trees. Same could be said about the South Island Beech forests.

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  #1260447 16-Mar-2015 17:07
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Those are not at all comparable to the development on that site and you are just being silly to suggest it is.




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  #1260449 16-Mar-2015 17:09
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Our native trees are being lost one tree at a time, it is not a silly comparison. One could say your trivialising the loss of trees 100's of years old is being silly.

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  #1260483 16-Mar-2015 17:54
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KiwiNZ: Our native trees are being lost one tree at a time, it is not a silly comparison. One could say your trivialising the loss of trees 100's of years old is being silly.

Except they're not 100's of years old. And a more significant stand of trees in another area on the property was going to be left untouched. The developer was doing what he could to minimise the impact on the local environment and a bunch of people, who've already had trees removed to build their houses, decided they didn't want this (sounds like a personal grudge to me) and started spreading misinformation in furtherance of their aim. Didn't take much effort to hook hordes of gullible kiwis...

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