Dratsab: ^ If you get pulled over by a cop, yes you'll get a fine + demerits...but not from a speed camera.

IlDuce: On the subject of being naive at 16, I was WAAAYYYY behind everybody else at school car license wise, I didn't get my restricted until I was at uni, well after leaving school, when >90% had it while at school.

At 16 I read the road code and knew it cover to cover, and thought I interpreted it and understood it (fully). Here is the naive 16 year old bit, the road code did not specifically say in black and white that doing burnouts or handbrakies, etc was illegal, so I thought basically that doing them was OK - it just wore the tyres out, which just costs money, and they are still printing money, so thats OK. Not until I was older did I realise that careless driving encompasses the exhaustive list of lesser things one could do wrong.

The others who drove, who I was a passenger with, used to do all that sort of stuff, even the "good kids" who seemed to be more mature, and drove sedately and never did that sort of thing to show off, at some stage had crashes through poor driving (i.e u-turns without looking, rolling cars in the country driving around corners too fast for road camber but well within posted speed limits). I think what spared me from all this was being at an older age when starting out, and having learnt from others mistakes.

Probably the most DANGEROUS driving I do, and have always done, is being one of the wan*ers who on the open road, if I see roadworks ahead, and the speed signs say 30km/h, I slow down to 30km/h, not 50, or 70, but 30. Man do I cop some from other motorists for it too. One finger salute very common. Have had a truck nudge me deliberately over this (i.e matched my speed plus ~1km/h and just got closer and closer until he hit me - obviously a message to drive faster than 30). I have also had a truck pull alongside me, then just pull back in like I wasn't there, which run me off the road.

sbiddle: ...If camera vehicles are not setup precisely at the correct angle then speeds will ot be recorded accurately. The way that camera vans are set up is now significantly better than it used to be where speeds were routinely incorrect...