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  #2625754 23-Dec-2020 10:18
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kingdragonfly: I think we've gone too far with name suppression. Does anyone not get name suppression?

The latest murder trial, Tinder strangulation case, struck me as odd. Name suppression was given because the murderer was found guilty, but still had more similar ongoing murder trials .

The rationalization is the current law jurors are not supposed to know about similar convictions.

However what happens for serial offenders? Even cooperating serial offenders don't remember every victim.

The current law seems to have more to do with clearing police books than giving justice.

How does it make sense if you've been convicted of 10 burglaries, that jurors should not know this? After all the tax payers are paying for each trial. If a defendant's lawyer knows a client's similar crimes will be revealed, it's more likely to be quickly pleaded as guilty, and less likely to come to a jury trial.

If it does come to jury trial, it's likely to be over quickly.

Perhaps a law change that a criminal guilty convictions during a trial can be revealed, if it's within the last 7 years?

 

 

 

I can sort of see where they are coming from though...if I was a juror and I was told that Mr Badguy was a serial offender and had recently(ish) been found guilty of other crimes, I'd be biased. 

 

I'd be thinking he's guilty before seeing the evidence and would likely just want him locked up and out of my world for as long as possible. I don't think that's entirely fair - particularly if the offender is not actually guilty of the new crime, but simply of similar type and MO





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  #2625761 23-Dec-2020 10:29
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Handsomedan:

 

I can sort of see where they are coming from though...if I was a juror and I was told that Mr Badguy was a serial offender and had recently(ish) been found guilty of other crimes, I'd be biased. 

 

I'd be thinking he's guilty before seeing the evidence and would likely just want him locked up and out of my world for as long as possible. I don't think that's entirely fair - particularly if the offender is not actually guilty of the new crime, but simply of similar type and MO

 

 

Exactly. These things are complicated. If you have committed a crime and finished your sentence, you are supposed to have a "clean" slate. Just because you were convicted of theft previously, you aren't necessarily guilty of a similar crime just because you were accused of it. It would add weight to your likelihood of guilt in many peoples eyes, unfairly.

 

To be convicted of a crime, the case should be entirely made up of the evidence related to this and only this crime.

 

 


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  #2625875 23-Dec-2020 12:12
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networkn:

 

If you have committed a crime and finished your sentence, you are supposed to have a "clean" slate.

 

 

Well, no. It's common for employers to demand your criminal history. Clearly employers think that there's something useful to learn from someone's criminal history. And the Government agrees with them, in that it hasn't banned the "requests", which surely would be an invasion of privacy.

 

 

Just because you were convicted of theft previously, you aren't necessarily guilty of a similar crime just because you were accused of it. It would add weight to your likelihood of guilt in many peoples eyes, unfairly.

 

To be convicted of a crime, the case should be entirely made up of the evidence related to this and only this crime.

 

 

It would add weight to the likelihood of a guilty verdict, *fairly*. I think that if you've done a crime once, there's a non-zero chance that you would do it again. And, in this particular case, he'd done the same kind of thing (sexual violence to women) 3 times in as many months. At least. What do you think the chances of further violence against women would have been if he'd got away with killing Grace Millane?

 

 


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  #2625883 23-Dec-2020 12:25
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How would YOU like to be convicted of a crime you didn’t commit, based on an assumption of having a non-zero chance of repeating an offence? And the actual perpetrator goes free, and you have an elevated sentence being a repeat offender.


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  #2625885 23-Dec-2020 12:25
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So now that murder name now public, does anyone now feel safer, more fulfilled, possibly titillation somewhat.

Filled 30s of conversation at the water cooler,?

Secure now that various relatives are being pointed out and people can claim i knew him at school/rugby/pub.

And now when ever the case is mentioned on TV we will hear the murders name over and over...

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  #2625888 23-Dec-2020 12:30
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Actually, this radical revision to hundreds of years of criminal law precedent has a lot going for it. The Police could just arrest prior offenders, presumption of guilt would speed up trials considerably - anyone not already in prison as a defence is convicted on the first morning; and fast track these prior offenders to prison in the afternoon.


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  #2625889 23-Dec-2020 12:36
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What annoys me?  My favourite 'fun' thread going way off-topic into a discussion about the NZ justice system.

 

 





Did Eric Clapton really think she looked wonderful...or was it after the 15th outfit she tried on and he just wanted to get to the party and get a drink?


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  #2625899 23-Dec-2020 13:17
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To my Hotmail / Outlook account, I've been getting a number of phishing attempt, most likely from China (same message, but sometimes in Chinese):

"We had to lock your iCloud ID Account Online to protect your security. To unl‌ock your ac‌co‌unt you need to complete the security process. Click here to v‌e‌r‌i‌f‌y Your a‌c‌c‌o‌u‌n‌t.

On two occasions they have used MailChimp.

I sent it to these emails
  • abuse@mailchimp.com
  • reportphishing@apple.com
Only for them to get bounced back to me, because it was spam.

It looks like Microsoft server mail.protection.outlook.com is blocking outgoing email.

"Your message wasn't delivered because the recipient's email provider rejected it. Message blocked because it contains content identified as spam.'

However in the phishing emails, the email link still works.

It's "protected" like this "https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=a very long string.

So one Microsoft server mail.protection.outlook.com, is blocking forwarding it to be reported, but another Microsoft server safelinks.protection.outlook.com is allowing people to click on it.

I guess you get what you pay for.

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  #2625905 23-Dec-2020 13:28
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msukiwi:

 

That the annoying Trivago ads are back!

 

 

I guess they think people have forgotten the prosecutions for dishonest advertising!

 

 





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  #2625906 23-Dec-2020 13:29
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BlinkyBill:

 

How would YOU like to be convicted of a crime you didn’t commit, based on an assumption of having a non-zero chance of repeating an offence? And the actual perpetrator goes free, and you have an elevated sentence being a repeat offender.

 

 

How would YOU like a serial rapist to be set free for a crime he did commit, based on an assumption of having a zero chance of repeating an offence? And an innocent man gets convicted, because he got a useless legal aid lawyer and the police have stats to maintain.

 

The fact that there *are* serial offenders means that the chance of repeating an offence is non-zero, and in some cases is better than even. In the interests of avoiding convicting an innocent man, I accept that it's reasonable to not consider a person's previous offences if they are isolated instances and/or years earlier. But, as in this case, if they are recent and similar, it's a pattern of behaviour that I think is relevant information for a jury to consider.

 

 


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  #2625908 23-Dec-2020 13:31
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kingdragonfly: Only for them to get bounced back to me, because it was spam.

It looks like Microsoft server mail.protection.outlook.com is blocking outgoing email.

 

Send them a screenshot, with a link to a file stored at DropBox or wherever.

 

 


  #2625910 23-Dec-2020 13:41
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kingdragonfly: To my Hotmail / Outlook account, I've been getting a number of phishing attempt, most likely from China (same message, but sometimes in Chinese):

 

it bugs me as they are happy to let the email into their system but not happy for you to forward it out, even to the reporting email addresses.


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  #2625913 23-Dec-2020 13:54
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Maybe it's because Outlook / Hotmail doesn't want to get black-listed for sending spam,

I guess they don't have a database of reporting email address, or a rule like "if the username starts with 'abuse', let it through"

I'm not sure why two different servers, don't share the same phishing signatures
  • mail.protection.outlook.com,
  • safelinks.protection.outlook.com

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  #2625920 23-Dec-2020 14:17
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networkn:

Oh, back to grammar and spelling for the 900th time!


People who say the T in Often! Drives me insane. It's silent!



People who pronounce Anthony as if the “th” is like the one at the beginning of “thong” instead of like a hard “t” sound.

Or Adrienne as if it was “Adrian”, which it isn’t.





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  #2625930 23-Dec-2020 14:32
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frankv:

 

BlinkyBill:

 

How would YOU like to be convicted of a crime you didn’t commit, based on an assumption of having a non-zero chance of repeating an offence? And the actual perpetrator goes free, and you have an elevated sentence being a repeat offender.

 

 

How would YOU like a serial rapist to be set free for a crime he did commit, based on an assumption of having a zero chance of repeating an offence? And an innocent man gets convicted, because he got a useless legal aid lawyer and the police have stats to maintain.

 

The fact that there *are* serial offenders means that the chance of repeating an offence is non-zero, and in some cases is better than even. In the interests of avoiding convicting an innocent man, I accept that it's reasonable to not consider a person's previous offences if they are isolated instances and/or years earlier. But, as in this case, if they are recent and similar, it's a pattern of behaviour that I think is relevant information for a jury to consider.

 

 

 

 

i think you provide a convincing reason why you should pick a jury trial if you are guilty, and a judge-only trial if you are innocent.


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