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#3189765 2-Feb-2024 23:24

Based on prices of uniforms 25-30 years ago compared to wages, uniforms and shoes , and clothing in general is a lot cheaper these days. But the problem is that many uniforms are outdated in terms of design and comfort. I think everyone wearing the same clothing has many different advantages at that age. Infact when I was at school wearing a uniform made things so much easier. The only thing is that it wasn't very comfortable, and could be too cold on cold days. eg having to wear shorts in winter or cold weather.

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#3189773 3-Feb-2024 07:11

mattwnz:
The only thing is that it wasn't very comfortable, and could be too cold on cold days. eg having to wear shorts in winter or cold weather.

And here’s a classic example of where uniform standards just go too far, and (in my opinion) become more about power and control than anything else. Even now, in 2024, the sole single sex boys’ school in my city doesn’t allow trousers at any time of year. WTH?!

In this kind of school, its uniform policy is just one way in which the institutuon’s conservative ethos is enshrined and enforced. It is a perfect example of why we’ve not sent our boys to this particular school.

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#3190286 4-Feb-2024 13:22

I'm all for uniforms as it makes things easier for the parents and kids on a day to day basis.

And avoids the situation where teenagers in designer clothes start picking on their peers in Warehouse $5 outfits. (Still happens on mufti day.)

However I also experienced the weather-related downside - my school changed the uniform slightly when I entered 7th form, so there was a new jersey for seniors and the old jersey was kept as the junior uniform. I couldn't afford a new jersey and my parents weren't going to pay either when I already had a perfectly good one - so I went to school through winter that year just in a cotton shirt. Waiting for the bus at 7 a.m. was cold.

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#3190290 4-Feb-2024 13:52

cddt:

And avoids the situation where teenagers in designer clothes start picking on their peers in Warehouse $5 outfits. (Still happens on mufti day.)

Fake argument. Schools set standards anyway and can just as easily ban label clothing, only permit generic colours, publish a list of approved shops, etc. You can have uniform standards without resorting to uniforms.

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#3190407 4-Feb-2024 15:48

networkn: Our kids former primary school is moving TO uniforms not away from them. Polled by the community and school members it was heavily in favour of doing so. The principal was only prepared to entertain the idea if the uniform was entirely generic though, except for the jersey and that's optional.

Sensible man. The only problem is if the rules prevent any other warm wear in winter. Those without the jersey will be cold.

Other than that I hope the sensible man can resist other demands for control on hairstyle and things like that when parent A doesn't like Parent B's kids hair because random outrage about something or other silly.

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#3190413 4-Feb-2024 16:04

Postie Plus price range is in line with reality:
https://www.postie.co.nz/school?p=3

I took a quick look at The Warehouse schooltex. It provides a lot more variation for particular school colours/requirements and the prices are going towards the silly side for those in any reasonable quantity.

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#3191705 7-Feb-2024 10:20

Rikkitic:
cddt:

And avoids the situation where teenagers in designer clothes start picking on their peers in Warehouse $5 outfits. (Still happens on mufti day.)

Fake argument. Schools set standards anyway and can just as easily ban label clothing, only permit generic colours, publish a list of approved shops, etc. You can have uniform standards without resorting to uniforms.

The fake argument is the suggestion of schools setting standards or label banning or select colours or a list of approved shops, if you want to dictate what kids can wear you may as well have a uniform and be done with it.
Kids will find a way around these “standards” and all it takes is a societal move amongst the families attending to a new fashionable /cool/trendy item to make those standards moot.

Try telling that to my 7 and 9 year old niece and nephew who refused to wear their “no-name crocs” after being bullied at their no uniform school.
Or my similarly aged nieces and nephew on the other side of the family (different location in the country with many varied socio-economic families attending) who experienced and saw teasing on the playground because of the clothes they wore.

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#3191721 7-Feb-2024 10:58

Lois may dye but this thread certainly won't. I have known plenty of kids who get by just fine in a uniformless school environment. Kids that bully need to be taught not to. Maybe there is something wrong with the schools those kids attend.

You don't fix bad behaviour by legitimising it. Are you saying your relatives are being intimidated into wearing designer clothes? I don't doubt it happens but that doesn't make it acceptable. Try teaching those other kids some values before whipping out your wallet.

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#3191804 7-Feb-2024 13:02

Rikkitic:

Fake argument. Schools set standards anyway and can just as easily ban label clothing, only permit generic colours, publish a list of approved shops, etc. You can have uniform standards without resorting to uniforms.

What you are describing is a uniform.

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#3191805 7-Feb-2024 13:06

Rikkitic:

Try teaching those other kids some values before whipping out your wallet.

So you want me, as a parent, to teach someone else's snotty twelve-year-old how to be kind?

Please, do explain, exactly how you see that happening.

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#3191808 7-Feb-2024 13:12

Start with the parent, not the kid.

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#3191811 7-Feb-2024 13:15

Schools teach kids not parents

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#3191863 7-Feb-2024 13:30

They're not doing a very good job then, are they?

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#3191916 7-Feb-2024 13:43

Rikkitic:

They're not doing a very good job then, are they?

who the schools or the parents?

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#3191941 7-Feb-2024 14:31

cddt:
Rikkitic: Schools set standards anyway and can just as easily ban label clothing, only permit generic colours, publish a list of approved shops, etc. You can have uniform standards without resorting to uniforms.
What you are describing is a uniform.

It's probably a difficult road to ban branded clothing but I take your point.

My local primary has a kind of dress code for summer and winter. Summer the kids can run around barefoot like typical kiwi kids have for many years. A hat and sunblock are required wear for the first two classes. In later classes upper wear must cover the shoulders to avoid bad sunburn. Winter I think they require shoes I don't remember exactly why, the reason sounded sensible at the time.

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