VDSL2 - a good option?

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Topic # 119713 11-Jun-2013 09:21

Hi all,

I just read that my IP provider Actrix are offering VDSL2 packages.

The prices look ok, as do the speeds. I understand one needs to get a few bits of hardware to be able to enjoy this technology, including an appropriate modem/router and filters (anything I missed?). So, considering these and the fast coming UFB in my area would I be better waiting for UFB or should I consider upgrading to VDSL2?

I know that these types of decisions are very subjective, but what would you do? Also if anyone could give me an approx idea on set up costs for VDSL and UFB I will be grateful.

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Reply # 834006 11-Jun-2013 10:22

I would get VDSL in a heart beat.

You will probably want to upgrade your home wiring for UFB anyway and for the sake of running one extra cable to the demarc you can enjoy VDSL until UFB gets to your gate.

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Reply # 834012 11-Jun-2013 10:29

For me I guess it would depends on how long away the UFB is, and of course what kind of speeds you are currently getting.

I am moving to Napier in august and I am looking at a place which are getting UFB, but they also have good VDSL connection - so either would be good for me. The VDSL is 50/10 and the UFB is 100/50.

Not sure how much better the UFB will actually be, from what I can gather the UFB should be more stable vs weather and other kinds of fun interference of the copper wires of the VDSL.

At work we have a SHDSL connection with 4 copper pairs going in, and that gives us a measly 8/8 Mbit/s connection. But our connection is far off the DSLAM and with wonky wireing.

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Reply # 834013 11-Jun-2013 10:30

When is UFB coming to your area? If it's more than a couple months out I'd definitely recommend VDSL. I'm an extremely happy VDSL user with snap and have been for a year now. I believe they will allow you to transfer from a VDSL contract to a UFB contract when it comes available without penalties too.

I'd certainly upgrade to UFB if I could, which was nailed home recently when I had an interesting experience with noise from a failing street lamp near us causing massive errors on VDSL. But even throughout that experience it all still worked fine, the only real issue I had was DLM increasing interleaving which increased latency a bit. It was still way ahead of ADSL performance.

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Reply # 834033 11-Jun-2013 10:52

Really this is a question of budget v's enjoyment.

There's no question in my mind that VDSL is worth the coin if your other choice is only ADSL2.

You do have to consider how far you are from the cabinet to get the best value.

I just put one on which is less than 50 meters from the cabinet but only gets 45mbit sync.

It was only getting 43mbit, but I changed the cable from the ETP to the modem (which was a very old bit of straight, ie no twist, cable) and got another 2 mbits/s.

You also need to consider what you're using to connect to the VDSL and where you're going to head for UFB when it gets here.

If you're using an older computer, or slower computer, then it may not actually benefit from the faster UFB speeds.

If you get VDSL now, you might choose to leave getting UFB until you do your next computer upgrade.

You also need to consider your wifi network. Personally I'm pushing in Unifi networks where ever I can with more than one radio because stuff just works better.

If your wifi AP has to turn the power up to reach down your house then it turns the speed down. If your device (laptop, phone, what ever) has to turn the power up to talk to your AP then it runs the battery down faster.

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Reply # 834043 11-Jun-2013 10:58

I'd get VDSL if I could. Unfortunately the plan for my area is that in 2015 or 2016 I will be upgraded to an RBI service which is targeted to be slower than what I currently get on ADSL (1). [And most likely will cost me more for far lower bandwidth cap]

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Reply # 834046 11-Jun-2013 11:01

SaltyNZ: I'd get VDSL if I could. Unfortunately the plan for my area is that in 2015 or 2016 I will be upgraded to an RBI service which is targeted to be slower than what I currently get on ADSL (1). [And most likely will cost me more for far lower bandwidth cap]

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Reply # 834050 11-Jun-2013 11:10

DonGould:

If only there was a great competitive mobile carrier you could work on getting to your area, with great helpful staff ;)

I'm trying! :-)

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Reply # 834052 11-Jun-2013 11:12

Only if you are going to get an increase in speed.

Considering you pay $20 a month extra.

If your adsl modem attenuation is good , in theory you should get a massive speed increase.

My upfront costs were being bound into a 2 year contract , and around $80 for a modem/self installed vdsl2 filter.

Can't wait until snap start offering UFB though.

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Reply # 834199 11-Jun-2013 14:07

Hey, thank you all very much for your valuable input.

I live in Hastings and they are laying UFB cables as we speak, however at the chorus website my street is to be looked at around June 2014 for fiber.

Not sure how far from the cabinet I am, however with ADSL2 I get 11/12mbps down and 700 up. I find that not too bad considering some of the speeds some of the people I know get around me.

My PC is also ok, only 20 months old Acer with 6gb ram, a quad AMD 3.6ghz processor and some other good specs. Very stable system - best I ever had actually (there I jinxed it now...).

So the above should be sufficient to transition to VSDL, I guess, but would it be proficient with UFB?

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Reply # 834232 11-Jun-2013 14:25

For a year its probably worth it. Depending on your internal house wiring you may be borderline being allowed to get it (if you have poor house wiring leading to your low sync then you should be allowed whereas if its good you probably can't, weird I know!). You will need a master splitter installed at the ETP which i think Chorus charge $300 or so for or you can do yourself for $30 if you know what you are doing.

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Reply # 834287 11-Jun-2013 16:01

Telecom have just started offering Vdsl on a trial basis, they gurantee a minimum speed of 15mb/s down 5up and if this is not met then you are reverted back to adsl.

its $10 more a month than their adsl plans and they offer transfer, sign up and modem free of charge and you get 1 month free. You just run the risk of it not performing well and being stuck on adsl for a year (299 to cancel)

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Reply # 834292 11-Jun-2013 16:07

Heh, Telecom is one of the reasons I feel extremely happy with Actrix ;)

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Reply # 834295 11-Jun-2013 16:10

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rileypriddle: Telecom have just started offering Vdsl on a trial basis, they gurantee a minimum speed of 15mb/s down 5up and if this is not met then you are reverted back to adsl.

its $10 more a month than their adsl plans and they offer transfer, sign up and modem free of charge and you get 1 month free. You just run the risk of it not performing well and being stuck on adsl for a year (299 to cancel)

Do it before they change their minds. the 15/5 is what Chorus deem a successful VDSL connection. In reality if your attenuation is around (or well below) the 10dB mark you will easily see 40-50Mbps.

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Reply # 835702 12-Jun-2013 12:39

chevrolux:
rileypriddle: Telecom have just started offering Vdsl on a trial basis, they gurantee a minimum speed of 15mb/s down 5up and if this is not met then you are reverted back to adsl.

its $10 more a month than their adsl plans and they offer transfer, sign up and modem free of charge and you get 1 month free. You just run the risk of it not performing well and being stuck on adsl for a year (299 to cancel)

Do it before they change their minds. the 15/5 is what Chorus deem a successful VDSL connection. In reality if your attenuation is around (or well below) the 10dB mark you will easily see 40-50Mbps.

I'd like to know how to convert to VDSL2 trials with Telecom? Currently on ADSL2 with them and getting nice speeds ~ 700m from roadside cabinet.

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Reply # 835733 12-Jun-2013 13:10

K1w1G33k:
chevrolux:
rileypriddle: Telecom have just started offering Vdsl on a trial basis, they gurantee a minimum speed of 15mb/s down 5up and if this is not met then you are reverted back to adsl.

its $10 more a month than their adsl plans and they offer transfer, sign up and modem free of charge and you get 1 month free. You just run the risk of it not performing well and being stuck on adsl for a year (299 to cancel)

Do it before they change their minds. the 15/5 is what Chorus deem a successful VDSL connection. In reality if your attenuation is around (or well below) the 10dB mark you will easily see 40-50Mbps.

I'd like to know how to convert to VDSL2 trials with Telecom? Currently on ADSL2 with them and getting nice speeds ~ 700m from roadside cabinet.

Give their sales team a call. It's an extra $10 a month on top of your adsl plan.

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